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EscapadeBabe
24-02-2009, 02:40 PM
Hey Guys,
Just wondering if anyone knows what times people have gotten on small roadbikes (not GP bikes) at the track. I know good times depend on who's riding and what's good varies for each person but does anyone know what times a VTR250 or CBR250RR are capable of on the track? What's the best you've heard of?
Dee
Mr.Ed
24-02-2009, 03:12 PM
I've always heard of ppl doing mid to high 50s on their 250RR... Don't how true or possible that is. Another guy told me some racers would do high 40s but I'd call BS on that till I see it.:confused1:
gav500
24-02-2009, 03:12 PM
one of my mates ran 2.10 on a cbr-r first time on the track.
SIX36
24-02-2009, 03:13 PM
A RS250 yes easy a cibby i say high 50's or more early 2min mark.
lapped on a mates stock 250rr a few years ago and managed a late 1.57 at best
dunno if that's respectable or not....
There was another fella (Shaun) who was consistently rounding in mid to late 1.55 although he'd throw it down every 2nd lap
oldblade
24-02-2009, 03:23 PM
I don't like 250's
specially when they go under me in a corner and I have my blade as far over as I can get it......
Seriously though I'd love to have a go on one
James
24-02-2009, 03:27 PM
lapped on a mates stock 250rr a few years ago and managed a late 1.57 at best
dunno if that's respectable or not....
There was another fella (Shaun) who was consistently rounding in mid to late 1.55 although he'd throw it down every 2nd lap
Damn - I was only 13-15 seconds of that time on my (ex)CBR250RR :hatter:
Best ever was a 2:08. Although I'm sure Oggy got my old bike round EC in sub 2 mins
Johnny
24-02-2009, 04:06 PM
2:15 and under on a 250 is quick..
EscapadeBabe
24-02-2009, 04:14 PM
Interesting, I was told that I took 5 seconds off my time from the VTR250 when i rode the Cibby without really pushing it... funny the difference you can get from a different bike
Johnny
24-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Yes, CBR is a faired bike that gets speeds of 175 ?, Vtr naked bike that gets speeds of 150 ?..
Well done Dee :clap:
Was wondering why I never saw you out there on Saturday, probably cause I was looking for the wrong bike :lmao:
Mr.Ed
24-02-2009, 04:24 PM
Isn't the VTR a twin and the cibby a four screamer? that can also impact in your lap time as at that level any extra hp helps.:ayyy:
EscapadeBabe
24-02-2009, 05:41 PM
Was wondering why I never saw you out there on Saturday, probably cause I was looking for the wrong bike :lmao:
Yeah matey... Sarah and Craig let me take out the baby blade for the day... tell ya what tho... wouldn't mind having it out there for a play on a hotter day, or even just when there's no rain... I could have a lot of fun on that bike :dancesmiley:
Isn't the VTR a twin and the cibby a four screamer? that can also impact in your lap time as at that level any extra hp helps
Yes it is, but I've only been riding just over a year and haven't really had a i4 on the track before... so it kinda amazed me the extra difference without feeling like i was pushing it harder
Ed_GSXR
24-02-2009, 05:45 PM
Dave from the cafe rides his CBR in B1.
j-rad
24-02-2009, 06:09 PM
Isn't the VTR a twin and the cibby a four screamer? that can also impact in your lap time as at that level any extra hp helps.:ayyy:
they sure are.....are RR would smoke the VTR. In the right hands and with some fettling they can be reasoonably quick and any little bikes are a hoot anyways.,......, sometimes more fun than a larger bike :) Get it in the right gear, keep it pinned, never use brakes (well... . ) and frenzied gear changes...really makes you feel like you're 'riding' it but get it bogged down in wrong gears everywhere and it'll feel like a wet week......
1down5up
24-02-2009, 06:21 PM
Dave from the cafe rides his CBR in B1.
if its dave on the mossie from the old rd ya talking about i have seen him in A when a few of us did a ride day last winter dont know what his times where but i am sure he was sub 2min easy ( on pilot powers )
Mr.Ed
24-02-2009, 06:48 PM
if its dave on the mossie from the old rd ya talking about i have seen him in A when a few of us did a ride day last winter dont know what his times where but i am sure he was sub 2min easy ( on pilot powers )
Makes you wonder why some choose to ride a bigger bike, hey?! Including myself...
If I had any sense of decency I'd just buy a 250RR trackie and be done with it. Thank God I don't...:lmao:
Big Lunt
24-02-2009, 07:28 PM
I was cutting 1min 48's on a stock RGV 250 track bike
When they started racing CBR 250 there were guys out on the ride days who were cutting the same time - they had some work done - jet kit, filter and race system
And they are a tonne of fun!!!
Pretty big difference in specs between a VTR and a CBR.
I think the VTR's max out at around 150 and are 30 odd HP. Where a CBR would see close to 200 unrestricted, putting out around 40-45 HP. Mine ever only got to 180, but it was restricted, not tuned and carrying my fat arse around.
James
24-02-2009, 08:24 PM
I reckon closer to 190kph at 17,000 rpm 6th gear 200m marker -but mine was a bit lighter than std and was dyno'd at 43 hp. The definition of depression: following a 1098 out of T12 on a CBR250RR :(
Mr.Ed
24-02-2009, 08:39 PM
I reckon closer to 190kph at 17,000 rpm 6th gear 200m marker -but mine was a bit lighter than std and was dyno'd at 43 hp. The definition of depression: following a 1098 out of T12 on a CBR250RR :(
I'm sure that some would say that definition of happiness would be cutting the same bike on the inside of T2!:)
James
24-02-2009, 08:42 PM
I'm sure that some would say that definition of happiness would be cutting the same bike on the inside of T2!:)
That is true :ayyy:
The definition of depression: following a 1098 out of T12 on a CBR250RR :(
The most fun I had on the CBR was taking people up the inside of T12 to be blasted away by several bikes down the straight, then undertake a couple on T1 then going on to out brake the others at T2.
I still miss my Cibby :(
joystick
24-02-2009, 08:56 PM
I took my NSR250 (2-stroke) out in B1 on Saturday (first session) and I felt totally comfortable with the relative speed of the bike in the group. It performed really good in the tighter back section of the track where it's weight and cornering ability are a distinct advantage over the larger bikes.
I can't really judge what my lap times were (something over 2mins) and using the first session to compare it to other bikes isn't that accurate a measure. All up I would say this bike can do way better than I am capable of and in the right hands it would not disappoint in B1 or even A group.
The only thing I can add is that the 250 2-stroke offers a huge ability to modifiy and performance enhance. http://www.nsr-world.com (http://www.nsr-world.com/tuning/250-tuning/ignition/) shows how figures like +60hp can be achieved with race expansion chambers, airbox mods and careful jetting. You can even buy a 300 big bore kit from tyga and push this further.
Yes I'm talking up this bike and yes it is for sale here (http://www.nswroadandtrackbikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9572)
stetto
24-02-2009, 09:03 PM
After 4 months riding, i was doin 2:15s first time out at the creek, on a cbr250r with mismatched tyres and it wasn't tip top mechanically. Blaringmikes cbr was a bit more track suited and he was def quicker then me. Have seen cbr250rrs in B1 goin resonably well in that group. Can't wait to get the ZX7r out there and a few more track days. Blackstorm ur right its depressing on the straight watching the bigger bikes but god is it fun owning them in the corners :ayyy:
James
24-02-2009, 09:08 PM
Can't wait to get the ZX7r out there and a few more track days.
That's the deal of the year - great find there Stetto:ayyy:
29/03 your first outing on it?
EscapadeBabe
24-02-2009, 09:46 PM
So I take it I'm the only one taking a VTR250 to the track then :( It's the bike I ride more often cause it's mine. The cibby I only got timed one session and I was doing 2.07-08 on it. That's 5-6 secs faster than i was told I did on the VTR. Was hoping to figure out what i could get IT down to, cause I have to ride it a bit longer before I can afford a bigger bike... Maybe I should get one of the boys to take it out one session and see what it can do... can't imagine any of them would be excited by the prospect tho when they could be riding their 600's/1000's :p Would love an R6 when I upgrade tho it seems a little way off :p
Studricho and myself were almost breaking 2 minutes on CBR250RR's at EC after 1 or 2 trackdays.
jonoZRX
24-02-2009, 10:08 PM
The cibby I only got timed one session and I was doing 2.07-08 on it
That's quite fast if accurate. A bloke I know races a basically stock ZXR250 (pretty much the Kwakka version of the CBR) and you are faster than his fastest lap from each race.
His lap times from races are up on the Natsoft website, which means they're accurate because they've been professionally timed etc. PM me if you want to know his name so you can have a look at them.
stetto
24-02-2009, 10:13 PM
That's the deal of the year - great find there Stetto:ayyy:
29/03 your first outing on it?
Yep can't wait u mike and i all new toys to tease dazz with :ayyy:
Yep can't wait u mike and i all new toys to tease dazz with :ayyy:
:ayyy: looking forward to it!
Johnny
25-02-2009, 12:46 PM
Hehe, Dazz has upped his pace a little, dont be suprised if he plays with you blokes some :p
blackzook
25-02-2009, 01:09 PM
I run just on or just under the 2 minute mark on my Aprilia RS250 at EC, the little bugger does well with my 6'-5" tall - 100kg body on it.
The Aprilia cup guys did mid 1-40's on the same bike.
Vukie
25-02-2009, 01:16 PM
have a friend that has been clocked at 1.59's on a RS125 and another on a ZX2r doing the same times
dazzler
25-02-2009, 04:20 PM
Cheers johnny:ayyy:
Dee just go out there and rip shit up!!!
for me it not about times, its about trying to get 2 or three corners flowing nicely together then another and another every other session soon after a few T.D's i will get a flowing lap,
its about overtaking round the outside of turn 2,sucessfully, its about getting over T9 heebeegeebees, just once a session!!
and soon after that the little lightbulb comes on and it all makes sense!!!
during all of this times will fall... worry about all other aspects and times are not so important!!
remember we are not racers, we're riders going fast:ayyy: see ya 29/3
stetto
25-02-2009, 05:26 PM
Cheers johnny:ayyy:
Dee just go out there and rip shit up!!!
for me it not about times, its about trying to get 2 or three corners flowing nicely together then another and another every other session soon after a few T.D's i will get a flowing lap,
its about overtaking round the outside of turn 2,sucessfully, its about getting over T9 heebeegeebees, just once a session!!
and soon after that the little lightbulb comes on and it all makes sense!!!
during all of this times will fall... worry about all other aspects and times are not so important!!
remember we are not racers, we're riders going fast:ayyy: see ya 29/3
Very true i'm there for fun not to race
EscapadeBabe
26-02-2009, 09:37 AM
True, but you still know the times you are doing... so altho it's about having fun, there's still the element of wanting to know where you are in comparison to what's possible ;)
Anyone who has seen me at the track knows I have a great time out there my face is :D :D :D :D all day, was still just curious to know what's possible tho ;)
Marcus
27-02-2009, 05:20 PM
You did good out there on saturday. Knee down on a damp track is pretty cool! Your corner speed on it was enough to be in green group.
Cedric
27-02-2009, 08:39 PM
Very true i'm there for fun not to race
Yeah right Stetto, see if that changes once you're on the 7R buddy.. :D You'll be checking racechrono after every session like the rest of us..
Big Lunt
27-02-2009, 11:09 PM
Yeah right Stetto, see if that changes once you're on the 7R buddy.. :D You'll be checking racechrono after every session like the rest of us..
Thats so bloody true......and then when you go home after the ride day and are sitting on the dunny you will be looking at all the data and following the track data information:lmao::lmao::lmao:
Come on all those with Racechrono that have done this say "I"
aussiegixxxr
27-02-2009, 11:12 PM
1.55 easy, cbr250rr
Cedric
27-02-2009, 11:13 PM
Thats so bloody true......and then when you go home after the ride day and are sitting on the dunny you will be looking at all the data and following the track data information:lmao::lmao::lmao:
Come on all those with Racechrono that have done this say "I"
My word I have :D Hahaha! On the dunny, on the couch, in bed with the girl (suitably unimpressed)... It's all good!:lmao:
Mr.Ed
28-02-2009, 12:27 AM
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
I!!
stetto
28-02-2009, 01:04 PM
Yeah right Stetto, see if that changes once you're on the 7R buddy.. :D You'll be checking racechrono after every session like the rest of us..
Probably, first time i went out didnt know i was gettin timed. But ur right i think now i got race chrono i'll b racing myself
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