GP shifting

[cdsuperstar]

Has anyone got this mode of shifting on their bike? was thinking of doing it on my track bike. what's ur opinions, any advantages over standard?
cheers

[dilbee]

yep mine is like this. I like it. Not that im thinking a racer or anything like that. Just like the feel of changing gear with a tap down rather than up. Ask bigdog when he had a ride of my bike up to the service station. I forgot to tell him i had that.:lmao:
At 1st you might not be thinking and change gears the wrong way. Just got to tell ya self in the back of ya head what ya foot is about to do untill it comes natural.
Id suggest just riding around for a while nice and easy at first so as to get your foot trained in thinking of what ya doing 1st. Dont want come off the 1st corner using engine braking when you go up a gear instead of down. :lmao:

[zRoYz]

You mean race shift so going up gears you kick down & going down gears you kick up (rev of your normal road bike).

Most racers have there gear shift configured that way but not all, not being a racer I can't offer up first hand knowledge but the main advantage is being able to shift up gears while leaned over through left hand corners. There also could be an advantage with speed of shift as hitting the shift down is probably a quicker action & more important than down shifts to get the power to the ground.

[Captain]

Much too frightened to even think about it.

[Mr Bones]

I reckon If you to this to your track bike you should do it to your road bike as well. saves confusion.

I haven't done it to either of my bikes. Don't think I'm serious enough yet.

[tempest161]

either do it to all your bikes ir none at all. i wish i'd done it years ago. perfect example for me is t3 at EC, i'm over on the right side of the bike and needing to go up a gear, its alot easier to tap the lever down than get the toes under the lever. Also like mentioned, left handers that need a gear up are so much easier.

[stetto]

http://www.sportrider.com/ride/RSS/146_0809_reverse_shift_pattern/index.html Not a bad read showing pros and cons

[zRoYz]

I could be wrong but from memory Chris Vermeulen prefers the road shift & still uses that config just as an example it's not the bee all & end all config for racing.

[Tarrasque]

Max Biaggi also uses standard shift.

Like i have said before, I use race shift on the my road bike, and standard shift on the track bike (since I share the track bike with ibishu who is scared of screwing up the shift). But she has no issues if she rides my road bike, just have to not over think then you started to 2nd guess your self.

[clarkey]

I could be wrong but from memory Chris Vermeulen prefers the road shift & still uses that config just as an example it's not the bee all & end all config for racing.

He sure does, the EC example as stated by temepst is the short shift 2-3 whilst hangin off the right side -Though personally i prefer the easier down shift under brakes into 2 -Every ones diff, most rearsets can go either way so give it shot

[Naked Twin]

I had it on my track bike and changed it back, I found I was thinking about how I should be changing gears instead of setting up for the corner. The other reason was the only track that had a corner I was making use of it was Wakefield.

Nick

[Dunno]

The other reason was the only track that had a corner I was making use of it was Wakefield.

Nick


Nick & I spoke about this at WP & it was the 1st & only time I wished I had race pattern. Apart from 1 corner at WP I cant really justify it.

[Dean93]

I tried it on my last bike at a WP track day. Almost killed myself on T8 every other lap so I called it quits.

For me, I ride too much on road to make a dedicated effort for a trackie.

[cdsuperstar]

Well tried it today at OP for a few sessions and hated it. back to standard. oh well, i guess it just comes down to personal preference.

[Turtle]

I have the race pattern on my trakkie which is weird when you get back on ya roady...it only takes a session to get used to it again though.....i prefer it since i have been using it because it allows you to change to a higher gear mid-corner (for instance turn 7 at EC) saving you from spinning up out of corners....I must admit, when i first changed it over i was changing the wrong way till session 3 and was getting real pissed with it.....especially when your going around turn 3......

[Cedric]

Never tried it but seems to go against the grain for shift patterns. Not only bikes, but also cars; pull back to shift up, forward to shift down etc..

I'll have to try it though - could make a second up around T3 this way.. :D

[ozimoto]

I could be wrong but from memory Chris Vermeulen prefers the road shift & still uses that config just as an example it's not the bee all & end all config for racing.

Yea he does and has always raced that way.

[ozimoto]

You should try an old Ducati (pre 74) for confusion. They're reverse pattern shift on the right side of the bike and if your not concentrating and go for the back brake and you shift up and sh!t yourself when it speeds up.

[rats666]

I did it to my ducati a little while back :n:, was riding the BMW for a few weeks then pushed the duck out for a spin and couldnt understand why it wouldnt go.....turns out i started it in a false neutral and was clicking it down into 6th instead of up into 1st :dohsmiley:.... five minutes later I realised what was going on :confused1: changed it back after a couple of rides, cant say i didnt like it, but just easier to have both bikes the same :ayyy:

[AG23]

I used race pattern shifting ever since I started racing road bikes when I was 14 (never rode on the street or had a bike for the public roads), so it was very difficult for me to adjust to the normal street pattern when I started testing for AMCN a couple of years ago. But I always rode motocross with normal shift pattern so it doesn't take too much adjustment.

At the MotoGP test in Valencia when I rode all of the factory bikes it was actually very very difficult to adjust to Vermeulen's Suzuki after spending the day on all of the other race bikes - his was the only one with street shift pattern (I think I shifted the wrong way once shhh!).

As for the advantages, I think it's personal preference. Sometimes when I use street shift and need to shift up a gear mid-corner then I wish I had the reverse race pattern, although there have been times when I used race shift and wanted to downshift late into a corner and wish I had other. It's all what you feel comfortable with.

Like Nick said, if it's taking your mind off of the corner then change it back to street pattern and get on with focussing on the more essential things.

[Wattie]

the only time i wish i had race shift, was at PI, coming out of MG and round and onto the straight, having to peg a couple of gears while cranked.

Ec, never had a problem.

[jasonbw]

just have to not over think then you started to 2nd guess your self.

so true!!!!!!

[AG23]

I reckon its harder to change back to the normal shift pattern once you get used to race shift than what it is changing over in the first place! At that point your mind is completely confused.

[Nuff]

I like reverse shift, but for different reasons than others, I have limited mobility in my left foot because of injuries to one of my muscles.

Standard shift gives me a lot of grief at the track and I've to pull into pits and call it quits after few sessions. Reverse shift doesn't cause me those problems, since when I'm going down the straight and I'm moved back all the way in the seat, I don't have to stretch my foot all the way to get it under the gear lever to do up shifts.

[Marcus]

I use reverse shift but prefer normal shift pattern. Im used to it now so its staying

[KW4K4]

I have race on the trackies and normal on the road - swapping between the two isnt hard at all.

"head down shift down/head up shift up" to remind myself when breaking and im sitting up i need to shift up

[Turtle]

I have race on the trackies and normal on the road - swapping between the two isnt hard at all.

"head down shift down/head up shift up" to remind myself when breaking and im sitting up i need to shift up

+1........i wont change mine....:ayyy:

[SIX36]

"head down shift down/head up shift up" to remind myself when breaking and im sitting up i need to shift up


Pinching Mick Doohan quotes aye LOL

[KW4K4]

really? i didnt know - someone told me that the first time i made the switch - and i did it because of turn 10 at PI and turn 3 at EC

[SIX36]

Yeah it was Mick's old theory on when to shift

[1down5up]

You should try an old Ducati (pre 74) for confusion. They're reverse pattern shift on the right side of the bike and if your not concentrating and go for the back brake and you shift up and sh!t yourself when it speeds up.
same as the old norton 850 commando`s i found out on a test ride about 30 years ago the hard way lmao ..... i thought it was only the pommys that had it all assbackwards
also w gardner also use to run road pattern shift didnt make him any slower


i have heard mick say that him self mr 848 your right ( on the tv of course in a interview )

[racegodr1]

I asked Kev Curtain about doing it for a change and he said the same thing to me to me several years ago ,That when your down "shift down" when your sitting up "shift up"....

i changed as i wanted to try it as i was "Bored" a bit with racing and it did make me mentally focus more as a racer and i liked that change.

i ride road shift on the road no problems but road shift on the track i just cant do keep stuffing up .Helps me slow down on the road as well.

[R_u_1_e_r]

I've got race shift on the tracky & i reckon it's the grouse, there's no way i'd change back. It did take a bit of getting use to but wasn't that much to deal with. I rode a friends bike down to PI & back for the last GP & was worried that i'd stuff up the gear changes but had no trouble whatsoever, changing gears on the road just came naturally.Just because you change your trackie doesn't mean you have to change your roadbike, cheers!

[X27]

Has anyone got this mode of shifting on their bike? was thinking of doing it on my track bike. what's ur opinions, any advantages over standard?
cheers

Yep my 1098S is reverse pattern, its better than normal in every conceivable way....including road riding, infact why road bikes dont have it like this is beyond me.