600cc vs 1000cc

[Mr.Ed]

Calm down... it's not a netrider sort of post (not that there's anything wrong with that!:lmao:). Just a few vids I found and thought were interesting as they show the riders picking different lines and all. Pretty cool if you ask me, make up your own mind!:ayyy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysBqvKUsPrE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOEtise4FT8&feature=PlayList&p=2490FA4E6CE8E348&playnext=1&index=40

If I find another one I'll just add to the thread, in the meantime feel free to do the same and/or bag it as you judge appropriate!

[AG23]

Nice one, I always seem to go quicker straight away on a 600 but by the end I can go quicker on a 1000. Like the 600s better though!

[Mr.Ed]

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksM7RjX_RKs

I don't think a track gets much smoother than that, hey?!:ayyy:

[Kat00]

The straight line speed differential is insane, particularly in the first vid.

If the camera bike rider was on the lead bike I'm tipping he would walk away.

Good vids thou :ayyy:

[Johnny]

Great vids..



What track is that ?

[Mr.Ed]

What vid?
vs R1 - Zandvoort (?)
vs 1098 -Magny Cours
GSXR1000 -NO IDEA!:confused1:

[_chado77]

slighly off topic but still on..the 1st vid brought it too mind:ayyy:

the bigest thing(besides obvious handling features etc) i noticed between the 1098 and 600(having ridden the duck for approx 2years only then jumping on the 600 at EC a couple of weeks back) is how lazy of a rider the ducati makes you, in terms of gear changes..used to love riing the 600 on road & track and how you had to be on the ball all the time to get the best(my best) out of it vs the duck leave it in one gear and ya pretty much right for every corner:hatter:.. makes it challening to get ya mind readjusted

[Ed_GSXR]

Nice vids Mr.Ed

[Captain]

Awesome videos mate .... and brilliant topic for a thread :ayyy:

So tell me this Alex (please); if one was thinking of moving to a 1000 .... after having intentionally bought a 600 to 'learn' with .... at what stage would it be wise to do so? I'm in no hurry, mind you, I just like looking ahead.

[Mr.Ed]

I sometimes wonder if I could handle a 750 but a 1000 still too far away for me, even to consider. My own old CBR600RR had more power than I needed at times.
I'm shopping for a trackie and found that you can get some nice trackies for a decent price if you're content with a 1000cc i.e. 02/03/04 R1, 04/05 1000RR, etc... But unfortunately that's not my case and while I was searching about the R6 I stumbled on the vids of the first post. Now I feel like a 400cc would be more suitable to my talent!!:hatter:
There's no way I could punt an R6 around the track like these guys do. I would need at least a couple of years of intensive training to reach 80% of that, I think. I hope I can get there at some point...:ayyy:

[zenodamper]

What vid?
vs R1 - Zandvoort (?)
vs 1098 -Magny Cours
GSXR1000 -NO IDEA!:confused1:

Last one is:-

http://www.pannonia-ring.com/index.php?popup=0&id=7

Zandvoort is one I would love to ride though... :)

[SmiddyR6]

i thort about moving upto a 1000, but i have to much fun on my 600...and its alittle more gentle on the tyres 2.

[PlatinumGrit]

Awesome vids! Thanks for putting them up. How much torque does the duck have though! What a monster.

[Redliner]

great videos :ayyy:, thats amazing acceleration on the Duke in the first video

[Turtle]

Sweet vid............

[Birdman45]

slighly off topic but still on..the 1st vid brought it too mind:ayyy:

the bigest thing(besides obvious handling features etc) i noticed between the 1098 and 600(having ridden the duck for approx 2years only then jumping on the 600 at EC a couple of weeks back) is how lazy of a rider the ducati makes you, in terms of gear changes..used to love riing the 600 on road & track and how you had to be on the ball all the time to get the best(my best) out of it vs the duck leave it in one gear and ya pretty much right for every corner:hatter:.. makes it challening to get ya mind readjusted

same goes even changing from an IL41000 to a Twin, way different to ride. I liked my 600 coz it was fun to thrash and took effort to keep up with 1000's on the road, but only on long stretches where the thou's could wind out and pull away. But switching bikes, the CBR1000 I changed with was great fun, but way less work. You seemed to be going even faster due to not doing as much but getting to each corner quicker, really wierd. And once we stopped again, the guy with the thou would go nuts about how fun my 600 was to ride, so.......... are we ever happy? Haha

[Cedric]

That 1098 just walks away on the straights, very cool.. Great vids Mr. Ed.

[Johnny]

Can I throw a spanner in the works ? thanx, I will, but in the way of getting opinion at the same time .

600s, they hold more corner speed, thats a given, due to the weight difference, and power where arse end wont try to overtake front end when coming on the gas while in corner... True ?
So, heres a thought, hasnt technology changed this ? 1000s are not much heavier now, 600s are not as slow as they once where, ie, todays 600s would leave yesterdays thou's for shit.

So throttle control, with the right wrist, the thou could be just as good as cornering as a 600 could be...no ?

[Ed_GSXR]

Can I throw a spanner in the works ? thanx, I will, but in the way of getting opinion at the same time .

600s, they hold more corner speed, thats a given, due to the weight difference, and power where arse end wont try to overtake front end when coming on the gas while in corner... True ?
So, heres a thought, hasnt technology changed this ? 1000s are not much heavier now, 600s are not as slow as they once where, ie, todays 600s would leave yesterdays thou's for shit.

So throttle control, with the right wrist, the thou could be just as good as cornering as a 600 could be...no ?

Fair point. But I think I feel less inclined to chuck my 1000s around like I did with my 600s, dunno why. Maybe the bigger bikes power is a bit more intimidating.

[Captain]

I have always wondered that; the newer 1000's weigh little less than the 600's .... and if you add my body weight then some rider ona 1000 might actually weigh less.

I've been told that it's because of the gyroscopic rotating mass; the 1000 has more of it, and that's what doesn't like to change direction. Is that right?

[wade193]

first vid not available anymore, through rats or YT :(

[Birdman45]

Was just about to say something similar Captain., and the physical size of them is still bigger also, I ain't scientific enough to know why that would cause anything though. hahaha

[Johnny]

A R6 is bigger than my R1 ( can barely reach the groun on one), and newer gixxers..
Other bikes are simliar to size, they just keep on getting lighter, smaller, and faster..

Im more inclined to thinking its the intimadation of the thou's power, as Ineversleep mentioned, that is the only reason. Suspension, tyres, bikes have come a long way..and the 600's are almost same weight, size, and have a hell of alot of power, so I'd think its more, in the head :)

[Mr.Ed]

first vid not available anymore, through rats or YT :(
Funny that, it seems to work just fine here.

try this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysBqvKUsPrE&

[Johnny]

OH, if you wanted to use vids as an example, the 600 is quicker when following ( as always), when not, he aint going the same speed, thats for sure..

[Mr.Ed]

I thought it was because most 600s have a shorter wheel base and a more aggressive rake. And that when you combined those 2, the bike would change direction more easily... and that you couldn't do that to a 1000cc because under acceleration it would be too wheelie prone and twitchy.:confused1::confused1:
I think this may just be a question only Zeno can answer!!:ayyy:

[stetto]

top vids mr ed :ayyy:

[Jamesy]

Brilliant Videos. Spot on on the throttle control comment as they all require the right amount.

I like my thou. I don't need to ring it's neck as much as a smaller bike but my '02 model is a lot heavier. So now with the 1000s coming out close to the weight of the 600s, I would still prefer a litre bike.

I want the new R1! and I can only imagine what Suzuki will be pulling out to challenge the new CBR and R1

[Turtle]

OH, if you wanted to use vids as an example, the 600 is quicker when following ( as always), when not, he aint going the same speed, thats for sure..

Are you still keen on that GSXR600R ? :lmao:

[Nuff]

Great vids Ed, I could watch the first one over and over. I've to say, it's a great feeling catching 1000 in a corner right after being blown away by it on the straight.

[Mr.Ed]

Great vids Ed, I could watch the first one over and over. I've to say, it's a great feeling catching 1000 in a corner right after being blown away by it on the straight.
That's another reason why I want another 600cc! I'd go a 400 but I don't think I'd be catching anyone then...:( A better ride would pull that off I'm sure.

[wade193]

Funny that, it seems to work just fine here.

try this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysBqvKUsPrE&

Thanks

[slow bro]

The 600's look quicker in the corners but look like a lot more work. Is this right?

[Turtle]

The 600's look quicker in the corners but look like a lot more work. Is this right?

Nah....just keep them over 10,000 and there smooth....

[Captain]

I've to say, it's a great feeling catching 1000 in a corner right after being blown away by it on the straight.

Welcome to my world.
Although, mind you, riding ability aside, if I get a good exit out of T12 the 1000's aren't catching me down the straight.

[Kat00]

I thought it was because most 600s have a shorter wheel base and a more aggressive rake. And that when you combined those 2, the bike would change direction more easily...

Modern Litre bikes are almost identical to 600"s The K8750, for instance uses the same chassis as the 600 and yet, read Rapid's December issue shootout and they sing the praises of the chassis of the 600 over the 750.

The reason why 600's turn faster than 1000 is because rotational mass.
The gyroscopic forces generated by the crank is the major determining factor.

[Turtle]

The reason why 600's turn faster than 1000 is because rotational mass.
The gyroscopic forces generated by the crank is the major determining factor.

Is that right ???? :confused1:

[Mr.Ed]

I got a few good exits out of T12 even managing to do T11/T12 on 3rd gear (usually drop to 2nd before T11) and still have enough rpms to pull out strong on the exit but I don't think I could hold a thou... then again my bike was 5 years older, 25kg heavier and missing around 10-15hp when compared to yours (not to mention my lack of time in the saddle). I did overtake heaps of other 600s though and kept a certain 675 at bay every now and then.:p

[Mr.Ed]

Modern Litre bikes are almost identical to 600"s The K8750, for instance uses the same chassis as the 600 and yet, read Rapid's December issue shootout and they sing the praises of the chassis of the 600 over the 750.

The reason why 600's turn faster than 1000 is because rotational mass.
The gyroscopic forces generated by the crank is the major determining factor.

The 750 does have a longer wheelbase than the 600 if I'm not mistaken. The difference is almost non existent, but it's there. I stand to be correct though...
I've also heard about the gyro effect, but does that mean that the new R1 will corner better than most?

[Kat00]

The K8 600 and 750 wheelbases are both 1400mm.

The K4/K5 600 & 750 were also identical with the exception of a swingarm mouting pivot and the 750 also had a beefier steering head section.....lost track with the K6/7 models.

[Mr.Ed]

The K8 600 and 750 wheelbases are both 1400mm.

The K4/K5 600 & 750 were also identical with the exception of a swingarm mouting pivot and the 750 also had a beefier steering head section.....lost track with the K6/7 models.
Yup. You're right!!
http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/suzuki/sport/2008/gsx-r/600/vs/suzuki/sport/2008/gsx-r/750.html
I was sure I'd read that somewhere... well, I'll just say I'm dyslexic and call it a day!:lmao:

[Captain]

I've also heard about the gyro effect, but does that mean that the new R1 will corner better than most?
Apparently yes, that's what they are already saying.

[Mr.Ed]

I thought that the big gain on the new R1 was on the fact that you could put the power down in a more controlled manner. Never thought it would actually turn in better than other litre bikes. If that's the case and it does benefit from both scenarios, it'll be really hard for the competition...:spank:

[VINNIE]

Nah....just keep them over 10,000 and there smooth....

That's right, ten grand and she is up and ready to boogie, i love my little K5600 great fun on the track

...and just for the record if Kat00 recites a few facts about Suzuki's, you can take it to the bank :ayyy:

[Captain]

Re the R1, It's a little complicated to be 100% certain, but the fact that there's less rotational torque and more torque generated through the action of the pistons is what helps here. Less rotational torque relates to less gyroscopic effect (I believe). Just how it 'gets the power to the ground' better I'm not 100% sure of, something to do with a 'smoother' torque curve at microsecond level .... or something.

[Turtle]

That's right, ten grand and she is up and ready to boogie, i love my little K5600 great fun on the track

...and just for the record if Kat00 recites a few facts about Suzuki's, you can take it to the bank :ayyy:

Thats right Mickey is one of the Best informed i know of ...... :ayyy:

[Ed_GSXR]

Welcome to my world.
Although, mind you, riding ability aside, if I get a good exit out of T12 the 1000's aren't catching me down the straight.

I'll testify to that. I've followed you out of T12 and while I seemed to pull you in a little bit down the straight, there wasn't enough difference to make a pass before T1.
Obviously you took a better line through 12 than me, but your bike goes good for a honda :stirthepot:

[Nuff]

Welcome to my world.
Although, mind you, riding ability aside, if I get a good exit out of T12 the 1000's aren't catching me down the straight.

I know what you mean about good exit on T12, I'm not that good with T11/12, but once when I got it right I made a big jump on a k7 1000 I think on the exit and over took him, but by the time I got to the finish/start line they overtake me. But considering that I only do 2min+ lap times I can't complain.

[Nuff]

I got a few good exits out of T12 even managing to do T11/T12 on 3rd gear (usually drop to 2nd before T11) and still have enough rpms to pull out strong on the exit but I don't think I could hold a thou... then again my bike was 5 years older, 25kg heavier and missing around 10-15hp when compared to yours (not to mention my lack of time in the saddle). I did overtake heaps of other 600s though and kept a certain 675 at bay every now and then.:p

I can't remember the 675 bit, you better show it to me at the next EC track day :lmao:

Now you know you have to get your tracky faster!

[Captain]

A good line through T12 is so very essential, as is getting on the gas early. If you look at the onboard footage of some of the top riders, they're hitting 200km very soon after T12 (amazingly soon - I'm 3/4 of the way down at least before I reach that speed). With that kind of head starts, how is anything going to catch you?
Of couse, riding ability being the same then the 1000 will get the 600, but if you consider that SBK are only about 2 sec faster than WSS then you can see there's not that much there.

[VINNIE]

Thats right Mickey is one of the Best informed i know of ...... :ayyy:

100% right again, Raymond :ayyy:

[Mr.Ed]

A good line through T12 is so very essential, as is getting on the gas early. If you look at the onboard footage of some of the top riders, they're hitting 200km very soon after T12 (amazingly soon - I'm 3/4 of the way down at least before I reach that speed). With that kind of head starts, how is anything going to catch you?
Of couse, riding ability being the same then the 1000 will get the 600, but if you consider that SBK are only about 2 sec faster than WSS then you can see there's not that much there.
Definitely a very important part of the track and a very tricky one too... I'm still finding my pace/line through there but I'd say I'm not that bad at it, still have heaaaps of room for improvement though. Next TD (God knows when that's gonna happen now that I have no bike) I'll try and concentrate on the combo T5/T6/T7 and there's where I seem to lose most time compared to others... :(

[Captain]

Funny that, Mr Ed ... I'm (relatively) quick through T5-T7. I'm slow though T4 for some reason, and of course T1.

[slow bro]

Funny that, Mr Ed ... I'm (relatively) quick through T5-T7. I'm slow though T4 for some reason, and of course T1.

I'll follow you through turn 5 & 7 to get some pointers.

[Nuff]

Funny that, Mr Ed ... I'm (relatively) quick through T5-T7. I'm slow though T4 for some reason, and of course T1.

I like T1 and T4, they are my favourite parts of the circuit, I'm pretty bad at T5-T7, I'm improving slowly there. But I still have a lot of work and lots more track days to be as fast as you Captain. I've to say the tips you gave me for T1 helped me out a lot there.

[Mr.Ed]

I suck at T1 too... but T4 is by far my favourite corner on the whole track. I don't know what happens there but it all clicks. Late on the brakes, knee down (occasionally), good speed and a nice smile in the end!:ayyy: It does bounce a bit but I got used to it I guess. I also really like T8 and T9, but am always a little too scared on T8.
I have to follow you one of these days and see if I can pick your brain on those other corners. I was looking at some racechrono data and lucas001, specs and even nuff (who says he hates them) seem to take them much faster than I do. Especially T5. I did improve a little bit on it last time, but it was very marginal.

[Turtle]

100% right again, Raymond :ayyy:

Well thankyou Andy for bringing this to our attention.......

[Turtle]

Funny that, Mr Ed ... I'm (relatively) quick through T5-T7. I'm slow though T4 for some reason, and of course T1.

Can i follow you around the track ?

[clarkey]

Love to do a back to back comparo, any volunteers for a thou or 600??:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Captain]

I suck at T1 too... but T4 is by far my favourite corner on the whole track. I don't know what happens there but it all clicks. Late on the brakes, knee down (occasionally), good speed and a nice smile in the end!:ayyy: It does bounce a bit but I got used to it I guess. I also really like T8 and T9, but am always a little too scared on T8.
I have to follow you one of these days and see if I can pick your brain on those other corners. I was looking at some racechrono data and lucas001, specs and even nuff (who says he hates them) seem to take them much faster than I do. Especially T5. I did improve a little bit on it last time, but it was very marginal.

I'm looking forward to riding with specs, because he's faster than me (but not heaps faster like Turtle).
I said 'funny that' because it's funny how some riders prefer certain corners; like I said I'm slow through T4, but have overtaken generally faster riders on the outside of T8 (which I really like). So I'm intrigued as to why we should have such particular differences :confused1:

Slowbro, you're certainly not slow on those turns; But here's my tip for T5 (I say this humbly and tongue-in-cheek, as I know there are millions of riders faster than me); T5 is uphill, so you need to keep a lot of speed up entering the turn.

[Turtle]

Love to do a back to back comparo, any volunteers for a thou or 600??:lmao::lmao::lmao:

How will it be done ???

[clarkey]

How will it be done ???

Lets say you lend me your thou, Alex lends me his 600 and I get to have a ball at EC, sounds good to me-I will even lend myself the 900 for a mid cc variant:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Captain]

:clap::clap::clap:

[Turtle]

Lets say you lend me your thou, Alex lends me his 600 and I get to have a ball at EC, sounds good to me-I will even lend myself the 900 for a mid cc variant:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Mate you can ride it any time you want......... :ayyy:

[Mr.Ed]

I'm looking forward to riding with specs, because he's faster than me (but not heaps faster like Turtle).
I said 'funny that' because it's funny how some riders prefer certain corners; like I said I'm slow through T4, but have overtaken generally faster riders on the outside of T8 (which I really like). So I'm intrigued as to why we should have such particular differences :confused1:

Slowbro, you're certainly not slow on those turns; But here's my tip for T5 (I say this humbly and tongue-in-cheek, as I know there are millions of riders faster than me); T5 is uphill, so you need to keep a lot of speed up entering the turn.

Specs is definitely a good guy to follow, except on T1... he's on A group speed through there.:hatter:
But he tends to be smooth and consistent so it's easy to follow him as you know he won't just brake at the last second or change lines dramatically on each lap. Lucas001 is also good to follow, especially at OP. Nuff, well... its probably not his fault, but it seems that ppl that are following tend to crash at some point!:lmao::lmao::lmao:
I don't even know why I'm laughing since I crashed too!!:(

[frostyscurse]

Guys.. I have been reading this thread with interest, and just for the record I think that in the hands of mere mortals,... meaning non racer guys, most people learn more and ride quicker on a 600, not to mention feeling like they are in "more" control of it than a thou... I think that the 600's make up all the time not mid corner, but corner entry.... Say if you are on a thou down the chute at E/C your maximum speed is considerably higher to brake.... settle.... turn.... and drive from than a 6,... I dont beleive that mid corner speed is much different, and driving of the turn is limited more by lean angle and grip till ya get it onto the fat part of the tyre, where then the litre bike starts to shine... I also reckon that the thou's train you to point and shoot rather than carry corner speed.... again cause it is harder to settle from a higher speed and you say to yourself I'll make it up on the drive.... anyway thats what Ive been thinking, I know I am quicker on a six than a litre, .... I love th little barstasrds.....

[Big Lunt]

Frosty not sure about that.....for me personally anyway

I was marshall for the old concept crew and did a few years on small bikes - RGV250, CBR400 and when I jumped onto the R1 I still rode it the same way.

I suppose its whatever you are comfortable with....for me its late braking and faster entry for corner speed. Still cannot master the point and shoot method even though it will probably get my lap times down by making up on each corner with hard exits. A lot of the race guys told me that I was riding it like a 250 still. Guess I don't want to high side!!!

[Captain]

I'm with Frosty, to be honest much of what you say rings true with me.
I haven't decided when or even if I should trade up to a 1000. I'm having a ball and still so much to learn, it's not like I've reached the limit of the bike :lmao:. But you could probably say that about any bike.
It would be good to have some guideline .... like when you're lapping at 1:50 then you're right to go ...

[Mr.Ed]

What times are the "pros" doing on your bike Captain? I mean on stock form, not the WSS or superstock ppl obviously... :confused1:

[zRoYz]

My honest opinion on this whole subject is a very simple one, some people have natural talent some need to work allot harder & it doesn't matter what size bike because some just adapt like a duck to water.
What I do tend to notice these days is everybody is in a rush to buy the biggest & greatest even if there talent is nowhere near said bikes capabilities. For example when I started riding it was dirt on a PE175, then a 250 road bike, 500, 750, etc but the 175/250 time period for me was about 3 years. People now only buy a 250 because they have to until off there P's & will either go straight to a 600 or 1000 without a moments thought & modern 600/1000 are all rocket ships.

[Captain]

Only a few secs slower than on the 1000's .... probably in the high 1:30's I guess? I don't really know.

[tazkenny]

I'm with Frosty, to be honest much of what you say rings true with me.
I haven't decided when or even if I should trade up to a 1000. I'm having a ball and still so much to learn, it's not like I've reached the limit of the bike :lmao:. But you could probably say that about any bike.
It would be good to have some guideline .... like when you're lapping at 1:50 then you're right to go ...


I would consider myself ave skill but still I can overtake 1098s, 1000 track bikes etc on my bog standard 600 with road tyres :) I think 600 is more capable than 99% of us will ever be able to ride it. Many people out there on 1000s just becase they can, not because they need.

[Captain]

Don't get me wrong, by no means do I consider myself remotely capable of using the power of a 1000 machine. But it's not about that, if it were then we'd all be riding 250's.
No, I'd like to ride the 1000 at some point for the thrill of it, because I can, for the pure joy of riding the latest and best bike on track.
Is there a greater joy for a boy who has never grown up?

[Mr.Ed]

Only a few secs slower than on the 1000's .... probably in the high 1:30's I guess? I don't really know.
That's scary!!:hatter: I was told my old 600rr 03 was good for 1:46-47 on capable hands (again, stock trim). But that's when the bike was new with fresh suspension and etc...
Reason I'm asking is because I've said to myself many times: "Well, till I can reach at least the low to mid 50's I HAVE to keep this bike!" I guess that's how I set when would be the time for me to move on...
In the end I've moved on for different reasons though, but I'm sure I won't be getting a1000cc bike anytime soon. I did see a cheap 929 trackie for sale and felt very tempted, till I remember how much I still have to learn!:(

[Mr.Ed]

Don't get me wrong, by no means do I consider myself remotely capable of using the power of a 1000 machine. But it's not about that, if it were then we'd all be riding 250's.
No, I'd like to ride the 1000 at some point for the thrill of it, because I can, for the pure joy of riding the latest and best bike on track.
Is there a greater joy for a boy who has never grown up?

+1!! Well said Captain.:ayyy:

[Ed_GSXR]

I think 600 is more capable than 99% of us will ever be able to ride it. Many people out there on 1000s just becase they can, not because they need.

I think everyone here would agree with that.

I've owned three 600s in my time, but have been riding 1000s for the last 4 years. I ride 1000s because 1) I'm a big bloke, and the 6's have now shrunk to miniscule proportions and 2) The power is just so ridiculous, that I'm making the most of it before the oil runs out/speed enforcement stops all the fun/the moon explodes or whatever. But I'm always harping on to people how I miss riding my old 600s (which were plenty fast for 99% of folks like you say) - are 600s more fun? - possibly, definitely more involving, but I also laugh to myself every time I open up the throttle on a 1000.

Remember, in 20 or 30 years time, we'll all be on our eco-bikes telling grandkids about the halcyon days of petrol and high speed riding, enjoy it - we live in a golden age IMO.

[tazkenny]

With you guys on that one. Dying to have a 1000 myself ;)

[wade193]

but I also laugh to myself every time I open up the throttle on a 1000

Thats why i bought one :mod_smilie_rockwoot i had a 600 and always thought of upgrading but was in no rush, but borrowed a mates k1 1000 whilst bike was getting serviced and that was it. I knew i needed one.

[zRoYz]

Only a few secs slower than on the 1000's .... probably in the high 1:30's I guess? I don't really know.

On average 600 are only about 3 sec slower at PI which is a hp track which just shows how fast there are.

[tazkenny]

Ok. This is myself chasing a CBR1000RR on my Gix 600. Not much in it, if anything. Quality is pish but I couldn't be rsed messing about with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw8GWNYfzqs

[clarkey]

Don't get me wrong, by no means do I consider myself remotely capable of using the power of a 1000 machine. But it's not about that, if it were then we'd all be riding 250's.
No, I'd like to ride the 1000 at some point for the thrill of it, because I can, for the pure joy of riding the latest and best bike on track.
Is there a greater joy for a boy who has never grown up?

Captain -Not sure f i understood this fella at ec today but he told me i was right at the top of the sclae of what a 600 would enjoy luggin around, Never really thought about it so much but is there a deemed suitable weight ?? Say up to 75 or somethin ??

[Captain]

How much do you weigh? I'm 85Kg, plus clothing and it's certainly not a problem in any respect. The rear spring was changed, as it was borderline but that's only because on track the suspension is on the stiff side, for the road it would have been fine.
I've gone head-to-head against skinny blokes on similar machines, and there's nothing there.
Unless you're 120+kg, I wouldn't imagine there's any truth in what this bloke told you. And even then, you might lose a miniscule amount in acceleration (any weight does this) but the bike's certainly not going to suffer.
Anyone know more?

[tazkenny]

Assuming a litre bike may weigh 190KG and a 600 170KG plus a 600 may have 120BHP and a 1000 175BHP

A skinny person weighing 65 KG plus a token 5KG for gear will have a power to weight ratio of 500BHP per Tonne (an mx5 weighs a tonne)

A larger person weighing 100KG plus 5KG will have a p/w ratio of 436BHP per tonne on the 600

Put the larger person on a litre bike and he has a power to weight ratio of 593BHP per tonne !

Now considering these figures and the fact that skinny me can keep up with litre bikes down the straight I suspect something is amiss with either the weight or power figures sold to us ? In saying that I notice 1098s pull away from me quite well and the race prepared bikes do so particularly well.

[clarkey]

How much do you weigh? I'm 85Kg, plus clothing and it's certainly not a problem in any respect. The rear spring was changed, as it was borderline but that's only because on track the suspension is on the stiff side, for the road it would have been fine.
I've gone head-to-head against skinny blokes on similar machines, and there's nothing there.
Unless you're 120+kg, I wouldn't imagine there's any truth in what this bloke told you. And even then, you might lose a miniscule amount in acceleration (any weight does this) but the bike's certainly not going to suffer.
Anyone know more?

80 even -so shouldnt be a problem:ayyy:

[Zee]

In saying that I notice 1098s pull away from me quite well and the race prepared bikes do so particularly well.



There's a little more to consider ...corner exit speed ability, gear/ratio, rpm and how far or close you are off the fat part of the torque curve, I thinks.
I reckon them figures would be more helpful for a stand still start but nevertheless a good starting comparo anyway.

[RUSSELL]

you could have a 3000cc bike, but if you dont have the balls to open her right up, its just a waste of cc's, maybe im biased but 600's are the way to go for a good lap time that you really work for, not by goin fast down the chute with an extra 400cc's to make up 2 seconds per lap, but last td i was gettin the shits with the 1000s out accelerating away from me.

my 2 cents

[zenodamper]

...and now?

[TIGRRR]

absolutly, i agree with russell...600/750 all the way. going up two teeth on the rear, quicker out of cornors more than made up for the extra cc's down the straight.
Anyone can go fast in a straight line...HaHa

[Stu23]

Its all about how you get onto the straights on a 600, I weigh more than most I race against ahmmmm 95kg trying for 90 :) Depends on how hard you get on the throttle....at the last Alex Gobart school I asked jason kane to follow me around as i struggle at turn 3 a bit and needed to imrove....when we came in he looked at me and said I nailed him at turn 3 what am i talking about !! ( he came 2nd i think at the recent FX event i think ) , now what he told me to do was actually not to be so hard as it was pushing me really wide. But thats how I have allways ridden so will take a while to be smoother on exit..Basically I have allways had to drive hard cause of my weight, 10 to 20kg disadvantage !!

Ok now wait for the fat guy jokes !!

Stu