How do you peeps deal with this growing trend....

[wudka]

Just curious,

Late in the night, riding along, you get confronted with a tailgating car, that approaches fast and sticks to your butt.

You recognise it to be a commodore or falcon etc..

No flashing lights etc, km's go by, car sits there.

Am I about to be pulled over? Or am I about to get bashed for my bike, next stationary opportunity..

Would you gun it to get away from them?

[Underground]

Either you act guilty or you dont, Qualify the occupied car behind you, establish intent (police or not) and act accordingly.

[wudka]

I agree with that.

But there are further issues.

In my few run ins, I have had them act in a suspicious way, in unmarked cars.

They have plenty of time to pull me up, yet they dont.

Sit illegaly close.

I know a common practice by cops is to intimidate bikers into accelerating away, to which they respond with fines.

So at night, when I cannot see a radar, dash mounted lights etc.. I feel best thing to do is to leave them behind. I give enough time for them to pull me up, or to pull up along side of me and identify themselves to be cops etc. When they dont, I dont see the point in taking the risk of having someone bump me off the bike, or anything else.

On a few occassions I am still unsure if they were cops or not.

But on others I know they were cops.

Could their footage be used against them? Should you leave them behind, after they tailgate you intimidating you this way? But then respond with a fine in the mail etc?

[Marcus]

Or am I about to get bashed for my bike

I never considered this!

Its a valid concern but I would probably slow to 10 under and wave them by.

Cops have a habbit of sitting behind you and checking rego which apparently takes a couple of klms.

[Dave75]

tough call isn't it?

I had a mate that was followed for about 30 min by an undercover cop car. He knew that he was behind him as my mate kept looking in his mirrors. THe cops could see this as well. Anyway the cops took off (they thought that they had anyway) they kept riding thinking the cops had gone. A few minutes later they chucked a U turn over double lines on the bikes and hey presto....the same cop car turned up and pulled them over. My mate asked the cop why they were following them for so long and didn;t pull them over?

The cop said it was just a matter of time until they did something wrong and would pull them over. The cop said we could see you looking in your mirrors when we were behind you.

Lucky thing is the cops let them off with a warning.

[gazujc]

I would simply say that if you feel threatened in any way then head to a well lit area that preferably has security cameras (ie. Service Station), park your bike at the front door, remove helmet (avoid the attendant panicking) and enter the shop (or go to the counter).

If the attendant asks you explain the situation and that you are just going to hang there for a few minutes etc (keep an eye on the passing traffic in case they return).

If something happens, the security cameras will capture details of registrations etc (if it was a bike theft it would likely have occurred earlier and not in a well lit area).

Then simply leave by a different route/path.

The simple alternate to all this is if you are uncertain just ride to a police station and sound the horn when you pull up. If they are police they will identify themselves and if they are in fact police ask to speak with the duty Sargeant.

While many may say that they will do nothing I have personally had two occasions where I have complained to a duty Sargeant and both times I got written and phone replies.





Garry

[spanky158]

Hasn't happened to me yet, but if it did, I certainly try to alter my route as much as I can to try to establish intent. I mean things like U turns around roundabouts, cutting a complete lap of a block to see if they still hang in there. Fair chance a cop won't follow me around round abouts, but if they do, I think I have a fair case to make a complaint, or contest a speeding ticket to take off from them.

[wudka]

My most recent case was such that the "possibly copper" followed me at close proximity, changing lanes, time and time again following my sequence. No traffic on the road, so trying to slow down and wave him past didnt work.

The idea that the assho*es sit on you waiting for you to break the law.... and in doing so break it themselves... surely thats harrassment?

My job whilst riding should be to keep an eye on the road, not have to worry about some f*kwit in my mirrors.

Thanks for your responses guys, I just wanted someone elses perspective. I will be putting this question to the legal channels, relating to what is considered legal, in terms of being followed at close proximity.

I have a gut feeling it isnt legal. If they want to check your details, then they should pull you over, and then let you be on your way without the need for intimidating you.

[heretic]

I just slow down to really pace, then the tailgater is forced to over take.

[spanky158]

My most recent case was such that the "possibly copper" followed me at close proximity, changing lanes, time and time again following my sequence. No traffic on the road, so trying to slow down and wave him past didnt work.

The idea that the assho*es sit on you waiting for you to break the law.... and in doing so break it themselves... surely thats harrassment?

My job whilst riding should be to keep an eye on the road, not have to worry about some f*kwit in my mirrors.

Thanks for your responses guys, I just wanted someone elses perspective. I will be putting this question to the legal channels, relating to what is considered legal, in terms of being followed at close proximity.

I have a gut feeling it isnt legal. If they want to check your details, then they should pull you over, and then let you be on your way without the need for intimidating you.

Problem with the footage they have is that it won't show them tailgating. It only keeps 30 seconds prior to the lights and sirens being switched on, so they really only have to allow for that when deciding when to turn on the lights...

[ST Kurt]

just pull over to the side of the road.

If they pull up behind you without the christmas lights going, wait for someone to step out of the car, then take off.

[phizog]

The cop said it was just a matter of time until they did something wrong and would pull them over.
And they wonder why we think they're worthless scum?

[Johnny]

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Cops have a habbit of sitting behind you and checking rego which apparently takes a couple of klms.

Was the case once upon a time, no longer this way though.
Most have plate recognition devices now, meaning they can read your rego in the blink of an eye, wether they are right behind you, or travelling in opposite direction at whatever speed, which then notifies driver of, say suspended licence, unregistered vehicle, etc. Cops usually know who and what you are before you even see them now.

As for topic, if it is a cop, they are trying to bait you, and yes, it does happen, and people still fall for the oldest trick in the book :lmao:

[Dr freedom]

Plate recognition is still only in 1/ 10th of all of their cars.. the carputer they have now gives them instant results.

& forget about trying to blame any cop for anything .. remember that the "no talking on a phone whilst driving", "tailgating" etc does not apply to them when they are on duty.

[Jake]

Problem with the footage they have is that it won't show them tailgating.
Even if it did show the tailgating, it wouldn't matter - they're allowed to drive like fuckwits to get us to stuff up.

[wudka]

How bullshit is that!, that it only takes footage of their driving for 30 seconds prior to them switching their lights going on!!!

Goes to show what all the technology on their cars is really for doesnt it!

[Dr freedom]

& when all their technology fails, they simply pull out one of their dodgy speed checks..

its no wonder soo many people do the harry from cops.

[Stu23]

I have turned around on my seat looked at the driver and pointed to the pillion seat a few times, motioning them if they want to get on !!! this kind of gets the message across...

[holdontight]

Just stop. If the car stops behind you put your hazard lights on and move off untill you are in a safe well lit area. Flashing lights mean nothing to me at night as you can get blue flashing lights off Ebay. This is the method I have and would use.

[Cedric]

Bit off topic but I heard from a mate actively interested in how to thwart the police that if you are pulled over for a 'random' breath test or a licence check ( yeah I know it hardly ever happens) or some other such random check, it could be that the police car has committed an offence itself such as running a red light or forgetting about that speed camera. If they do, pulling you over and 'checking' something gives them an excuse to have run the red light/sped and they can justify their actions.

I've had the tailgating before a few times, I usually pull off the street and go through a random selection of streets, not indicating till the last moment to try and throw them off. Bloody irritating and it is harassment.. Classic case of Police breaking the law to enforce it.

[dazzler]

just curious here.... i have been told(not neccessarily the truth) but any nose to tail accident is the following cars fault......?

so in that case if your bike needed upgrading or you owned a pooh bike could you hit the brakes and say "didnt you see that possum" and get your self a new bike???

injuries and bikeless for a bit would however be the side effects!!

[drukenhard]

I had coppers (unmarked of course) fly around a corner and sit on my arse when I was driving my ute once......then they put on the lights and pulled me over after I did absolutely nothing for them to go on......they called it a random breath test.....dunno why they had to try to bait me first though!

Also had another one where a couple of guys in a white XR6 try to pull me off my bike at lights (I always watch the cross lights so knew I had green coming) and I sped off......a short while later a white XR6 is up my arse so I gave it most of the way home........about 500m from my house the blue and reds came on and a $1648 ticket given to me (150/90 = 60 over) The cop didn't want to hear anything I had to say cause it was raining I assume and when it went to court I explained the whole situation and still got 5 months and $1500.........Now, I will never stop again......unless it's to punch on!

[drukenhard]

just curious here.... i have been told(not neccessarily the truth) but any nose to tail accident is the following cars fault......?

so in that case if your bike needed upgrading or you owned a pooh bike could you hit the brakes and say "didnt you see that possum" and get your self a new bike???

injuries and bikeless for a bit would however be the side effects!!

Fucking worth it to get neg driving on the po po!

[Turtle]

Unmarkes/Marked cops will sit behind you and do a rego/licence check before they decide to pull you over, it's happened to me a few times, more in the car than on the bike....

[heretic]

Unmarkes/Marked cops will sit behind you and do a rego/licence check before they decide to pull you over, it's happened to me a few times, more in the car than on the bike....

yeah but do they have to sit so close, I'm sure they can read the plates from a reasonable distance and then back off and check them.

[zenodamper]

As for topic, if it is a cop, they are trying to bait you, and yes, it does happen, and people still fall for the oldest trick in the book :lmao:

Yes, I see your point (of course); but, the fact remains that for a nation to work how it should and be going somewhere 'good' (unlike some S. American states), those policing the people 'should' still have to answer to someone - this should not be a Silvester Stallone in Judge Dredd scene:- "I am the LAW!" - so, and as a pseudo/quasi-eternal-foreigner, what the frack is the law here, are there any rights for 'the people'? Hmm, certainly makes one reflect on what WWII was about if 60 years later there is this sort of fascistic totalitarianism-slash-harrassment afoot...

:lmao:

[hoffy]

Slam the fuckin brakes on, there was a road hazard, woohoo....go new bike shopping if they hit you, and get a fuckload of cash out of their greenslip..

+ they will enjoy being on parking duty from now on.. :)

[Wiccad]

I had coppers (unmarked of course) fly around a corner and sit on my arse when I was driving my ute once......then they put on the lights and pulled me over after I did absolutely nothing for them to go on......they called it a random breath test.....dunno why they had to try to bait me first though!

Also had another one where a couple of guys in a white XR6 try to pull me off my bike at lights (I always watch the cross lights so knew I had green coming) and I sped off......a short while later a white XR6 is up my arse so I gave it most of the way home........about 500m from my house the blue and reds came on and a $1648 ticket given to me (150/90 = 60 over) The cop didn't want to hear anything I had to say cause it was raining I assume and when it went to court I explained the whole situation and still got 5 months and $1500.........Now, I will never stop again......unless it's to punch on!


Instead of going home you should have made a B line to the nearest cop shop that you knew of, ran inside and stated someone/s was trying to jack your bike with you still on it. They were driving X model car of Y colour and looked to be in fake uniforms. After all it was raining so you could not see them properly.

[drukenhard]

I thought they were for real and I was going for the rifle......should have anyway!

[thumpn]

One time a mate and I were driving along and a green EF XR6 was following us, doing the same shite as spoken about already, well we pulled into a car park he did aswell, we got out and I grabbed a shifter and held it next 2 me so he couldent see.. Then a copper hoped outta the car.. quickly through the shifter in the back seat and he told us that my mate needed to notify the RTA that he painted his car! wtf!? a green 95 xr6.. this was about 5years ago..

[_chado77]

just curious here.... i have been told(not neccessarily the truth) but any nose to tail accident is the following cars fault......?
???

!!


yeh mate and that even includes if the car behind you forces/hits you onto another car..i was invovled in a minor accident and it happened to me.. and it just so happens the car that i was forced onto was an off duty cop:dohsmiley: