Front number plate for bikes

[KW4K4]

Flicking through todays amcn at lunch and couldnt help but stumble across the two pager regarding the Vic Roads proposal to require all road registered motorcycles to have registration numbers retro fitted to the front of the bike at the riders cost.

Goes on to summarise that adhesive vinyl decals to be used on faired bikes and handlebar mounted on nakeds - etc etc - decided to scan it instead of paraphrasing.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2535/amcnfnpuv5.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amcnfnpuv5.jpg)

Important for nsw riders that this doesnt go through as the RTA has said it would follow suit.

Anyway, i am always dubious of petitions but this one seems worthy as I can only see this proposal being necessary for all the new forward facing speed cameras.

http://www.gopetition.com.au/online/16944.html

[jasonbw]

Thanks mate, have signed and commented.

[KW4K4]

Jason you had better double check my post and convert my lefts and rights from now on :P

[jasonbw]

:D :D :D :D :D sorry 'bout that mate :D

[Turtle]

Geez....i'll have to design a front number plate flipper now !

[Alex.]

Geez....i'll have to design a front number plate flipper now !

And one for me please mate.

[Turtle]

And one for me please mate.

No worries !!!! :ayyy:

[Turtle]

So we'll have a competition to see who can collect the most Speed Cameras in one night ..... :) The winner geta a free TD.........:mod_smilie_rockwoot

[jasonbw]

would Australia be the first in the world? I dont know of any other country that has that !

[Turtle]

would Australia be the first in the world? I dont know of any other country that has that !

Nah i think they have them in Europe somewhere ??:confused1:

[Dunno]

Wouldnt surprise me if they still had em in countries that are still behind the financial 8 ball? Probably only because the bolts have rusted on & the cant get the No plate off?

Latvia, Chechnya? I think you can still buy a Suzuki Hustler from the showroom floor in some of the former Soviet countries. :D

[Turtle]

Wouldnt surprise me if they still had em in countries that are still behind the financial 8 ball? Probably only because the bolts have rusted on & the cant get the No plate off?

Latvia, Chechnya? I think you can still buy a Suzuki Hustler from the showroom floor in some of the former Soviet countries. :D

And the quality would be better than they have today !!! :lmao:

[Alex.]

would Australia be the first in the world? I dont know of any other country that has that !

Some countries in Europe have this. I think some of the icelandic ones have this. They're either vinyl stickers or plates as proposed by the Vics.

[wudka]

The few places that have this might have so due to not changing the system from what it was when a long long time ago.
But this, I just cannot get over it, how f-king greedy the government in this country is. All that you hear is fine this and that. Get a cent here and there. In reality you get back less and less as a citizen, but keep paying more.
Petition signed, and a few of my own words included for good measure...
I hope that it helps!

[Turtle]

The few places that have this might have so due to not changing the system from what it was when a long long time ago.
But this, I just cannot get over it, how f-king greedy the government in this country is. All that you hear is fine this and that. Get a cent here and there. In reality you get back less and less as a citizen, but keep paying more.
Petition signed, and a few of my own words included for good measure...
I hope that it helps!

+1......thats SO true !!!!

[joe rocket]

You can also thank the fuck wits that do monos through speed cameras and hammer past speed cameras.hope they have a good chuckle because the filth will be having the last laugh and watching the cash roll in. Just goes to show you that a high IQ is not required to twist your wrist.

[Irena]

:(
They would look so ugly :confused1:

Ok, its signed and commented :)

[KAOS]

Just signed the petition.
2248 Signatures total signatures so far.

[Marcus]

Geez....i'll have to design a front number plate flipper now !


You said what I have been thinking.

Apparently indonesia and malaysia have had it for a while

I heard somewhere the stickers they use last for 20 years! What happens when you loose your plate, or if you change them every few months like me...

[jasonbw]

or when you sell, or get personalised plates, mate they'd just be removable, up to the rider whether they leave it on or not.

[Turtle]

Just signed the petition.
2248 Signatures total signatures so far.

WHERE'S THIS PETITION ????

[jasonbw]

First page, first post mate.

[BART]

Signed :ayyy:

[Turtle]

Petition done..:ayyy:

[Alex.]

Done, signed.

[gsx10]

done, signed.

also, this is why i always make sure i slow down through speed cameras as to not set them off regardless if it's the opposite direction... it's partly because of f%%^wit riders that do the wrong thing that gives govt the ammunition to introduce stupid stuff such as front plates. also recommend for others to not encourage attention. if this goes ahead, all of us are now gonna suffer because of a few minority.

[ZX6R]

I've signed this one a little while ago.
Good to see the RATs take a stand too!

[jasonbw]

done, signed.

also, this is why i always make sure i slow down through speed cameras as to not set them off regardless if it's the opposite direction... it's partly because of f%%^wit riders that do the wrong thing that gives govt the ammunition to introduce stupid stuff such as front plates. also recommend for others to not encourage attention. if this goes ahead, all of us are now gonna suffer because of a few minority.

Well said, cept some riders do that setting off cameras thing not trying to be a f%%!wit, just not thinking of the concequences..

hint hint mate... :D (no, not you gsx10)

[triumph]

signed.

[joe rocket]

Hey you could also argue the environmental impact and ask the tossers what about the carbon off sets.The stickers would most likley not be Australian mad either.Also get push bikes to do the same front and rear plates rego,for when they run red light cameras ,then youd see some protests form those speed humps

[Naked Twin]

done, signed.

also, this is why i always make sure i slow down through speed cameras as to not set them off regardless if it's the opposite direction... it's partly because of f%%^wit riders that do the wrong thing that gives govt the ammunition to introduce stupid stuff such as front plates. also recommend for others to not encourage attention. if this goes ahead, all of us are now gonna suffer because of a few minority.

This can't be serious, the government's are not introducing this because a few have sped through forward facing cameras intentionally, they are doing because generally of speed, not just because of a few minority that have been photographed. Don't blame other f...wit riders who choose to speed through them when you are doing the same either side of the camera, it is a little bit the kettle calling the pot black.

The fact that WE speed at all is all the ammunition they need, to which I really don't have a problem with. I speed on occasions my choice my problem if I get caught.

I personally don't have a problem with having a front number plate except for the fact I have to wear the cost of making it fit (being a tax payer that is) I don't look at myself when I am riding so not really fussed about how it looks. My issue with this is the facts being used by both sides are pathetic. The best reason I have heard so far for not using them is that they will be an increased danger to pedestrians. Did anyone think about this before using it as argument? What increased risk, the plate was never to mounted parallel to the bike. Did anyone think that a bike hitting a pedestrian at speed with the current bike designs is actually going to be worse.

Before I sign any petition I want to know what valid reasons they will be using to refute this. It they are not using statistical information about bike crashes and the causes then don't bother signing as the argument will be as weak as piss.

Petitions are great if they are signed by people who have no vested interest, ie non bike riders as they will give greater weight to any non motion. Obviously bike riders will largely be against it, the people proposing this know that but if other non bike riders sign it then people start to think that this is now not popular with the greater population.

My thoughts on it

Nick

[_chado77]

yip..couldnt care less..

only thing that i dont like bout it is cosmetic reasons..:cursing:

but hey its nothings some dark tint cant cover:p

[Alex.]

I wonder where the manufacturer's sit with regards to this proposal. Surely they could pressure the Vic government to abandon this idea.

[DAVID]

Signed

[rednut]

6016 signatures now

[gsx10]

This can't be serious, the government's are not introducing this because a few have sped through forward facing cameras intentionally, they are doing because generally of speed, not just because of a few minority that have been photographed. Don't blame other f...wit riders who choose to speed through them when you are doing the same either side of the camera, it is a little bit the kettle calling the pot black.

The fact that WE speed at all is all the ammunition they need, to which I really don't have a problem with. I speed on occasions my choice my problem if I get caught.

I personally don't have a problem with having a front number plate except for the fact I have to wear the cost of making it fit (being a tax payer that is) I don't look at myself when I am riding so not really fussed about how it looks. My issue with this is the facts being used by both sides are pathetic. The best reason I have heard so far for not using them is that they will be an increased danger to pedestrians. Did anyone think about this before using it as argument? What increased risk, the plate was never to mounted parallel to the bike. Did anyone think that a bike hitting a pedestrian at speed with the current bike designs is actually going to be worse.

Before I sign any petition I want to know what valid reasons they will be using to refute this. It they are not using statistical information about bike crashes and the causes then don't bother signing as the argument will be as weak as piss.

Petitions are great if they are signed by people who have no vested interest, ie non bike riders as they will give greater weight to any non motion. Obviously bike riders will largely be against it, the people proposing this know that but if other non bike riders sign it then people start to think that this is now not popular with the greater population.

My thoughts on it

Nick

yep agreed but i think you missed the point of my post. i'm not saying this is the reason but it all adds up, yes it's a risk when riders speed and this is the reason generally but speed cameras detecting speeding w/out capturing number plates such as what i have stated is the statistical data that the govt are quoting as examples... these are the facts that make it quite hard to argue against. general speeding observations (without a detection) either side of a camera aren't enough evidence by themselves. not sure if you see where i'm coming from here but happy to clarify.

[wudka]

There are many reasons. More than just pedestrian safety.

Mounted to fairings???? They are not designed for those stresses... Plate could lift off at speed and become an airborn projectile... regardless what they say, you are legally allowed to take your bike to a track. Having any of those mentioned mechanisms, would mean at top speed bracket of sportsbikes, you are subjecting the bike fairings to forces they were not designed to bear.
So what next?
To make their crap work, they will ban road legal bikes for track use as their idea is good for 110km/h??
Noise.. how will they test for a satisfactory noise level from this mount???
All this is speculation, but they are real questions. manfacturers of bikes will not guarantee that these devices wont have an impact on the design safety of the rest of the bike.
Having a plate mounted to a handlebar,,, well, why not mount a sail to one, and try riding safely.... ridiculous!


It is purely another money mechanism. There is no benefit to safety having a plate on the front of your bike.
Isnt it funny that the governments of this country do not actually put into legistlation real driver training?
Almost anyone can get their license and drive a 2tonne car... at 110km/h, yet that is safe....???? No f-king logic. I say almost, because there is the occassional completely inept *&^ that fails the simplest of road tests in the world!
When this fails, they drop the speed to 90... as is the case on many new highways. But is the problem addressed?
At 90, an incapable operator in a 2tonne vehicle is still going to cause lots of damage! And that is the bottom line.
If there was a real safety concern, driver education would be tackled in a real way.
Instead they keep trying to slow everyone down, dont train the public properly, install more and more speed cameras, yell of their success.... but year by year, greenslips are up, insurance is up(due to increased accidents amongst their reasons)... and ofcourse revenue is up.
But similar numbers of accidents occur.

End of rant

[jasonbw]

It is purely another money mechanism. There is no benefit to safety having a plate on the front of your bike.

Hang on a sec, picture a world where anyone could drive around without any way of identifying them. Would drivers then be willing to risk a little more if they cant get caught? Sure its an extreme example but plates are about being able to identify dangerous drivers/riders, whether it be for fines or penalties.

Your other points are perfectly valid IMO. Front plates will not work in this day of litigation.

[dilbee]

My thinking of this is, if a number plate was to fit on top of the guard like the old bikes used to have surely would that put force or turbulance on the front wheel? Having a upside rudder ,like on a boat would put ya steering out im sure.

[Turtle]

My thinking of this is, if a number plate was to fit on top of the guard like the old bikes used to have surely would that put force or turbulance on the front wheel? Having a upside rudder ,like on a boat would put ya steering out im sure.

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY....SURELY THEY HAVE TO USE "STICKER" TYPE NUMBER PLATES ??? Otherwise the aerodynamics would be changed...

[Captain]

Originally Posted by Turtle
Geez....i'll have to design a front number plate flipper now !

And one for me please mate.

Something like this fellas?

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/targa_alzata_ruggeri.jpg

I've been wrecking my brain trying to come up with something (theoretically only, I'd never use it of course) and that's about the best I could come up with too :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: ... or an actuator driven flipper. But you really need something better, as you often get done when you don't see the camera ....

[lilninja]

hey captain ever seen my plate?

[Captain]

I'm trying to remember .... it's a fair way in, from memory? Is that right?

[lukemillar]

What types of speed cameras do they have here? In the UK - you get two types of fixed cams - gatso's and truvelo's. Gatso are a rear facing camera and are inaccurate when set off from the front, but are by far the most popular speed camera in the UK! A front mounted plate would make absolutely no difference if you have the same cameras here.

[Turtle]

With a front plate it's way too easy to just lean over the front of the bike and put your hand over it.......:)