muzz's sp1

[muzz]

well here it is.........
it fired up first go too!:confused1:

[Mrs Mozz]

Good one muzz:ayyy: Few hours work in the grage there!!

[muzz]

ummmmm yeah

[pan]

With that shortened wheel base it must tip in to corners nicely! :)

[muzz]

lol at least its not an earth mover i spose

[Falco]

:wtf1: I thought it was a wreack.
Top score Muzz. :ayyy:

[muzz]

yeah its ok ,
frame has big crack though the cast part of the steering head
but its not on the write off register which is a good thing
have to take some pics of the damage and go and see the chassis dude to see if its worth takin it over or source another chassis

muzz

[wharn-os]

Not a bad swap at all for a case...

[spanky158]

Sweet!!! Looks heaps better than I thought it would mate!

[Irena]

Yeah, at first it sounded as it was a wreck ,
don't know much about bikes,
but looking at pics you've posted,
bike look really good :)
keep as updated ..................................:ayyy:

Congratcs and good luck with your new project :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Dr freedom]

Great colours too ..
The motor looks like it got away with little damage.

[Johnny]

Muzz Cuz.. speechless dude, thats in way better condition than I would have ever dreamed, congrats mate.


And John, Id just like to be the first to say, your a top bloke and all for giving it away here, but your an idiot :p

[pan]

lol at least its not an earth mover i spose

Oi! :cursing:
Are you bringing up my little adventure on Turn 4 at Oran Park again? :lmao:






And John, Id just like to be the first to say, your a top bloke and all for giving it away here, but your an idiot :p

:D

[muzz]

yes i am ,grounds keeper willy

[fullhouse]

rock on, good job

[pan]

yes i am ,grounds keeper willy

Oran Park T4? :confused1:
I don't remember anything happening there...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/pansta/Pan/abesimpson.bmp

[jasonbw]

Maybe Pan needs a few photos posted here as a reminder :)

[kellz]

thats a nice bike. bit of tlc and it will be a beauty

[Turtle]

Looks pretty good to me .....you'll have it back on the road in a couple of weeks !!!!!

[Dunno]

Looks pretty good to me .....you'll have it back on the road in a couple of weeks !!!!!

2 weeks Turtle? He will be busier than a dog with 2 dicks if that the case :D

[Turtle]

2 weeks Turtle? He will be busier than a dog with 2 dicks if that the case :D

How 'bout a Dog with 1 dick and 20 bitches ???? Is that busier ???

[Poyda]

Polish it out

Good score

[muzz]

what about a great dane and a line of coke and sabear's wee pooches?

[muzz]

Polish it out

Good score

polish it out?
how do you polish out a bent frame?:confused1:

[Turtle]

Windex will fix everything !!

[slow bro]

:ayyy: Lucky barstard, Muzz :ayyy: She's a keeper

[muzz]

yeah im happy just gotta find $$$$$$$$$ now

[Birdman45]

when you get he $'s, I would put a set of Sato pipes on it, and have it mapped, it'll be a rocket ship. I have dyno'd the sato slip ons for that bike and they give the same h.p at peak as any full system I have done, and add about 8h.p through the midrange vs the full systems also. That's if you're travelling down that road, I didn't read the whole thread.

[jace]

Wow! well done mate...
the panel work looks all repairable too...:ayyy:

[Vegas]

I had seen a heap of parts to suit the SP1 on the Aus SBK sight this morning going at the right price!

[BART]

Good luck with the repairs

[Turtle]

Trackky or roady Muzz ???

[muzz]

roady i think
its only got 15,000 ks on the clock ,its not on the write off register
goin down and have a yack with the frame dude tomorrow to see if she can be saved.
theres a frame in melborne for 250 but its got a broken rear lower engine mount and a crack thru the welds on where the beams conect to the rear cast part
maybe laurie can cut off the two side beams and steering head and weld that to my rear
i dunno will have a word to him tomorrow
john tells me its around 4500 for a new frame thru honda
:ayyy:

by the way who does fork repairs ?
muz

[Turtle]

roady i think
its only got 15,000 ks on the clock ,its not on the write off register
goin down and have a yack with the frame dude tomorrow to see if she can be saved.
theres a frame in melborne for 250 but its got a broken rear lower engine mount and a crack thru the welds on where the beams conect to the rear cast part
maybe laurie can cut off the two side beams and steering head and weld that to my rear
i dunno will have a word to him tomorrow
john tells me its around 4500 for a new frame thru honda
:ayyy:

by the way who does fork repairs ?
muz

sounds good mate, not sure about the forks ...:confused1:

[zRoYz]

The fork top tubes are also $400+ from honda, ebay is allot less but not many around as there used for front end conversions for VFR's & BB's due to there length.
If lower triple bent there $700 & also very hard to get now but scan ebay every night & you might get lucky, but beware I know 2 that where bought from ebay recently that where damaged & unusable so buy using paypal or some way you can get $$ back if this happens (don't buy SP2 triple clamps because there different & wont fit the SP1).

[muzz]

cheers, i dont think this is going to be a quick repair somehow
it all hinges on the frame at the moment, if i can get that sorted then the rest wont be to bad i spose
yeah the forks dont look to bent but who knows aye

muz

[zRoYz]

The top part of fork which is alloy kinks in triple clamps if front end hit & due to light weight they have to be replaced or might snap after a nice wheely etc, the lower fork (chrome part is very strong & in most cases if slightly bent can be straightened).

From the hit it looks to have had, my guess is you will need forks & lower triple clamp. The triple clamp only has to be out 1mm (twist) & will be out 5-15mm at wheel.

[muzz]

the lower part of the fork near where the calipers bolt on has a little bit of a kink and i think the uppers have the kink as well like you decribed
but the main damage was in the steering head being damm near torn off

muzz

[Birdman]

hmmm yeah my software doesnt give me a $ on frame its a contact Honda POA

[muzz]

me on the first ride after many hours of fixing ...homer simpson style :hatter:

[zRoYz]

hmmm yeah my software doesnt give me a $ on frame its a contact Honda POA

yeh POA or better start growing a money tree, Honda treat the SP1/SP2 as specials so the prices for all there parts are way over board. the only good news is there not over 10 tears old so all parts are still aval.

[muzz]

well ford must treat there explorers as specials too coz that has cost me a shit load too ....bloody peice of yank rubbish

[Birdman]

mate theres not one car out there thats not rubbish if you ask me, they design them to break so they can sell spares

last time i was in a Mercedes yard a $275,000 car didnt even have the panels line up, now 60's and 70's models, they were cars

[Vegas]

try metros at silverwater for a frame and forks, I think they had some hanging up down there!

[zRoYz]

try www.findapart.com.au

[muzz]

nup metro aint got anything
i did post a request with findapart there is one in melbourne for 250 but thats got a torn off rear lower engine mount.
i talked to laurie the frame dude today he reckons mines rooted !
what i was thinking of doing was getting this one in melbourne and doing a cut and shut on it
make one out of two
dunno still thinking about it

what i need is a good frame that i could borrow and build a frame jig to pick up as many reference points as possible so if i do go the cut and shut route
the new frame would go back together true
the cut and shut may sound drastic but the way i want to do it only involves two welds
idea is still up in the air at the moment

muzz

[zRoYz]

nup metro aint got anything
i did post a request with findapart there is one in melbourne for 250 but thats got a torn off rear lower engine mount.
i talked to laurie the frame dude today he reckons mines rooted !
what i was thinking of doing was getting this one in melbourne and doing a cut and shut on it
make one out of two
dunno still thinking about it

what i need is a good frame that i could borrow and build a frame jig to pick up as many reference points as possible so if i do go the cut and shut route
the new frame would go back together true
the cut and shut may sound drastic but the way i want to do it only involves two welds
idea is still up in the air at the moment

muzz

I would think very hard about the cut & shut idea as welds on alloy frames are the weak link so you have to be real careful where you intend to do it. As it is a sports bike they have built in flex etc so you might need to run it by an engineer. If your going that far maybe make your own out of tube steel like a spandon frame.

[Turtle]

I would think very hard about the cut & shut idea as welds on alloy frames are the weak link so you have to be real careful where you intend to do it. As it is a sports bike they have built in flex etc so you might need to run it by an engineer. If your going that far maybe make your own out of tube steel like a spandon frame.

Yep Roys right, frame are welded and heated to give them Strength as well as rigidity...... I was advised buy an engineer not to weld as it will weaken the welds nearest to where i was gonna get the work done ....

[muzz]

oooooooooooo k ill try and explain this as best as i can thru typing so bear with me

the frame im looking at buying has a lower engine mount thats been torn off
and a crack thru either side of the weld that holds the bottom of the spar to the cast alloy peice that the swing arm bolts and rear sets bolt to

my plan was to cut thru that already cracked weld remove the whole spar and steering head asembly.

cut my damaged spars and head set off at the factory welds and join the new spars and head set to my good lower cast mounting peices and welding it at the factory weld

now as i see it its no different to weld up the cracks or to join new peices to the factory welds

now i can alloy tig weld but i dont trust my self to do anything this critcal
i do how ever work for an engineering company and i can get on of the other guys to do it and i know its as good as any weld anybody can do

in the picture the red part of the frame i intend to remove from the frame in melbourne

the blue part is the part i intend to keep from my sp1

the little green line is where the factory weld is and that is where i intend to get it welded

my plan is to use the engine as a jig because it has 4 mounting points on each half of the frame which will hold it in place to get some decent tacks in place then either weld the inside ,replace the engine then weld the outside or make up some sort of clamp system to hold frame while welding is performed

so what ya think?:confused1:

[Birdman]

i would rather pay the money for a new frame if you cant find a second hand one

[slow bro]

Good luck

[muzz]

$4500 for a frame from honda so john says
by the time i do that and new forks front wheel and all the other bits and bobs that need doing i nay as well just go and buy a sp1
im still holding out for another frame tho

[Birdman]

other stuff can get at right price if prepared to wait, i dont mess with frames when snapped..... bent ok if straightened but snapped would rather new or good second hand

isnt there one on ebay ATM

[muzz]

theres a firestorm one for fiddy bucks
laurie the frame bloke reckons it can be done but he wasnt commiting to it
i understand what you guys are saying tho
anyway the bikes just about in as many bits as you can get it at the moment
if i have to il just stick it all in storage till the times right .........this project aint gonna beat me
muzz

[Turtle]

$4500 for a frame from honda so john says
by the time i do that and new forks front wheel and all the other bits and bobs that need doing i nay as well just go and buy a sp1
im still holding out for another frame tho

zRoYz will get ya one for a "PALLET" of OP RUM..........and a 6pack of ''Woodstench'' cans.....

[muzz]

lol done a pallet of that crap would only cost 5 bucks

[zRoYz]

zRoYz will get ya one for a "PALLET" of OP RUM..........and a 6pack of ''Woodstench'' cans.....

I wouldn't lower myself to ever buy that stuff :)

[zRoYz]

oooooooooooo k ill try and explain this as best as i can thru typing so bear with me

the frame im looking at buying has a lower engine mount thats been torn off
and a crack thru either side of the weld that holds the bottom of the spar to the cast alloy peice that the swing arm bolts and rear sets bolt to

my plan was to cut thru that already cracked weld remove the whole spar and steering head asembly.

cut my damaged spars and head set off at the factory welds and join the new spars and head set to my good lower cast mounting peices and welding it at the factory weld

now as i see it its no different to weld up the cracks or to join new peices to the factory welds

now i can alloy tig weld but i dont trust my self to do anything this critcal
i do how ever work for an engineering company and i can get on of the other guys to do it and i know its as good as any weld anybody can do

in the picture the red part of the frame i intend to remove from the frame in melbourne

the blue part is the part i intend to keep from my sp1

the little green line is where the factory weld is and that is where i intend to get it welded

my plan is to use the engine as a jig because it has 4 mounting points on each half of the frame which will hold it in place to get some decent tacks in place then either weld the inside ,replace the engine then weld the outside or make up some sort of clamp system to hold frame while welding is performed

so what ya think?:confused1:

If you were to have a go at that option then some things to consider as I or you don't know if true or not so care to examine things is in order.

The frame where you wish to cut may have insert lugs that slot into main frame spars & might not just butt on so cutting old frame I would cut first off away from welds to inspect inside.

If they do you will have to carefully grind away outer spar to preserve lugs on bought damaged frame. Then cut existing frame at welds & maybe have to cut away a little inside to remove lugs.

If you jig it up properly even if frame system doesn't have lugs & have someone who does alloy welding for a living do welding (remember they have to weld same grade alloy material) & then get xrayed to be 100% sure I think thats a good plan. But remember once alloy is heated it loses strength so you will also need to talk to an expert on alloy welding if the process needs some extra work IE hard anodizing after welding to restrengthen.

I'm not an expert on the structural strength of alloy or the grade Honda uses so information is your friend before even starting such a plan because the cost of all that you might need to do can be even more than a new frame. I'm a toolmaker by trade so can see what your saying will work if above criteria is meet. That part or frame will have a major load factor & the last thing you want is a failure when riding as your life is worth way more than any bike.

Alloy isn't like metal & once stressed it has permanent fractures that you just cant see so even the frame you want to use as a front end downer might be damaged but not to the eye (this is where xray will help but cost I have no idea). Just don't be trapped into the she'll be right mate sort of repair with a frame because Laurie has been in the business for a long time & if he has reservations it might be wise to listen.

It might just be a case of sit back & wait for the right price frame to come along & thats a matter of joining every Honda site & keeping an eye out constantly.

[Turtle]

If you were to have a go at that option then some things to consider as I or you don't know if true or not so care to examine things is in order.

The frame where you wish to cut may have insert lugs that slot into main frame spars & might not just butt on so cutting old frame I would cut first off away from welds to inspect inside.

If they do you will have to carefully grind away outer spar to preserve lugs on bought damaged frame. Then cut existing frame at welds & maybe have to cut away a little inside to remove lugs.

If you jig it up properly even if frame system doesn't have lugs & have someone who does alloy welding for a living do welding (remember they have to weld same grade alloy material) & then get xrayed to be 100% sure I think thats a good plan. But remember once alloy is heated it loses strength so you will also need to talk to an expert on alloy welding if the process needs some extra work IE hard anodizing after welding to restrengthen.

I'm not an expert on the structural strength of alloy or the grade Honda uses so information is your friend before even starting such a plan because the cost of all that you might need to do can be even more than a new frame. I'm a toolmaker by trade so can see what your saying will work if above criteria is meet. That part or frame will have a major load factor & the last thing you want is a failure when riding as your life is worth way more than any bike.

Alloy isn't like metal & once stressed it has permanent fractures that you just cant see so even the frame you want to use as a front end downer might be damaged but not to the eye (this is where xray will help but cost I have no idea). Just don't be trapped into the she'll be right mate sort of repair with a frame because Laurie has been in the business for a long time & if he has reservations it might be wise to listen.

It might just be a case of sit back & wait for the right price frame to come along & thats a matter of joining every Honda site & keeping an eye out constantly.

Just take the RUM.......you know you love it........:lmao:

[zRoYz]

Just take the RUM.......you know you love it........:lmao:

I love 2 things & ride both of them :lmao:

Correction maybe only one thing as one of them nags has mood swings & buys to many bloody shoes :lmao:

[jace]

For $4500 you can get another damaged sp1 from the auctions & you'll have spares as well if you are willing to wait.....But surely theres got to be a s/hand frame somewhere in OZ ...:ayyy:

[muzz]

what do you guys think is a fair price for a frame ?
i have no idea what they are worth
theres a bloke in the states came supply me a mint one for around 1500 shipped
what do you think ?

[jasonbw]

It can't be used easily on Oz roads then if you buy a frame from the USA... maybe someone here would know what the process is...

[jace]

Hey Muzz there is an SP2 at ManheimFowles auctions,does'nt look too bad..(got a few trick bits on it too)
May be worth going down to check it out..:ayyy:

[dungbeetle]

you wont get an imported bike registered here in australia unless you can convince honda to give ya an australian compliance plate to put on the frame you import.