Group road ride hates.

[Johnny]

Thought Id ask this, and hopefully we can not only add to it, but learn from it.

What pisses you off about group rides ?


I have a few hates well a little more than a few, but wont bother going into them, if I did it would basically come down to silly in your face shit and some common sence, besides Im starting thread to hear your hates :p

[j-rad]

Thought Id ask this, and hopefully we can not only add to it, but learn from it.

What pisses you off about group rides ?


I have a few hates well a little more than a few, but wont bother going into them, if I did it would basically come down to silly in your face shit and some common sence, besides Im starting thread to hear your hates :p

Most of my 'hates' are more just 'annoyances'........
but one BIG hate is:

Riders that spoil the ride by running out of talent and crashing.

Now I know it's the poor fool who crashes that has to fix his bike, ego, wallet etc but if you just learn first instead of trying to keep up with the faster guys then they'd save emselves all the heart ache and we could continue riding.....

Oh and just thought of another:
Commitment - committing to a ride and pulling out, or whinging how 'no one goes to track days anymore' but when one is organised for them and all they have to do is go and then bail.....grrrrrrrrrrr!!! :cursing:
just say no straight up! makes organising long road trips with camping/riding so much easier!!

rant over....I don't go on group road rides any more anyhow. Sick of picking up mates and randoms outta the ditch, waiting for the ambo and generally ruining everyone else's day/ride.......

[Captain]

Most group rides I do are with friends, and the only thing I hate is that they end all too soon ....

[Wiccad]

Some clubs have been forced to start "qualifying" people as a result of the ego numptie crash factor. One I'm a member of even has it on their ride calanders that inexperieinced riders should not attend rides over a certain degree of difficulty untill invited to do so by the club. It's dramatically slashed the incident factor. You will never completely prevent people from having brain farts and crashing, but you can greatly reduce the frequency of it.

[zRoYz]

I don't worry about it anymore what pisses me off about group rides because your never going to make them safer or perfect because we are all individuals & I know from my kids that telling them something doesn't ever mean they will do it.

I now have a simple rule for myself, I ride at my pace & don't worry about others at all you crash, break down etc I don't care because in most cases that happens behind me so just carry on with my ride. If I crash which can happen I always have one person that keeps my pace or is infront of me it's called the buddy system.

[KTM_Paul]

I hate it when Suzukis turn up ... who do they think they're kidding it's supposed to be a ride for real bikes!! :wtf1:

[muzz]

hmmmmm how can you call it a buddy system if you only care for your self ?
one day you may need the person you dosnt ride at your pace.
well sorry this is the third grumpy post ive seen from you complaining about waiting for ppl on rides.
as far as i knew everybody was welcome on group rides, this is what make rats a great group,if i see a fellow biker in trouble ill stop and help if i can
im not that concerned about my tryers getting cold
well thats my hate i spose









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[KW4K4]

1) Riding with people you don't know/haven't ridden with before.
2) Committing to a ride day and pulling out
3) Group petrol stops - ever tried filling up 30 odd bikes at the petrol station at Broke? Takes like 45 minutes to fill up everyone and get out on the road.
4) Registering with a riders club at the start of a ride - first time that happened to me was my first ride with Ducati owners club - first and last time i do that i tell you - some bloke had the hide to ask for everyone's rego, model, mobile and drivers license number - having everyone's phone number isnt a bad thing but rego and DL#?!! so i made sure good ole donald duck signed his life away.

[zRoYz]

hmmmmm how can you call it a buddy system if you only care for your self ?
one day you may need the person you dosnt ride at your pace.
well sorry this is the third grumpy post ive seen from you complaining about waiting for ppl on rides.
as far as i knew everybody was welcome on group rides, this is what make rats a great group,if i see a fellow biker in trouble ill stop and help if i can
im not that concerned about my tryers getting cold
well thats my hate i spose
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Ok as you don't even know me direct your comments to the thread at hand not me. My comments are my rules nobody else's don't like them then don't ride with me I will lose zero sleep over it.

Now just to fill you in just a little I lost 3 good friend in a space of 3 months & one died in my hands so I do help others. I just have no tolerance anymore for the few that want to prove something or think there great because they ride a 1000cc bike & then get them selfs into trouble.

Buddy system can mean yourself & one other who look after each other, you want to be mother to all riders then be my guest. I don't give a crap about tyres getting cold but I do care about people that have no road sense at all but expect you to spoil your day looking after them. I have taken learners etc for rides when thats what I intend to spend my day doing, but if I feel like a ride then I will post to let others know what I want to do without the bullshit. At least I tell people what to expect straight up, take it or leave it, very simple.

examples:
poor bike mat.
ride to keep up when there skill level is no where near that level.

:cursing:

Don't like what I write this forum has an ignore function so feel free to use it.
(I could ask my wife to post up when I want to have a indirect biatch but, thats not me)

[Johnny]

I hate it when Suzukis turn up ... who do they think they're kidding it's supposed to be a ride for real bikes!! :wtf1:

Hah ! saids he who doesnt even ride anymore cause he's too much a biatch, only shows up if its in walking distance :p

I like what Im reading so far, makes me happy knowing Im not the only one who thinks this way :o.

One thing though, As for saying yes to a ride, then pulling out, sometimes shit happens or comes up, cant really be pissed at that, yes it is and can be a inconvenience, but like zROYz saids in his posted rides, depart time is depart time, so makes no difference in the end. And no, I dont see he's posts as grumpy posts, just telling it like it is, which is always best.

I still do group rides, but much prefer a smaller group.

[Naked Twin]

My biggest gripe is people trying to ride to keep out in front but really don't. I always say, if you are not going to ride to your ability then make sure it is Casey Stoners.

I like group rides and do a few of them, as if something does go wrong then there are others to help. Admittedly I only post it on another website where I know the people fairly well that will come along. I have posted on a NSW only site previously and did not like some of the crowd that came along. (Too many on small bikes trying to make up for it by being heroes)

Generally the group rides are with the same people who ride about the same as me, some a little slower some a little faster, but we know how each other rides, and when you feel like you are holding someone up or do not want to keep at the pace people just pull to the side. The next one I organise I will post here, the only thing is they are generally 500klm + days and go on anything from back roads near Mudgee to the back roads of Southern highlands

Nick

[ned600rr]

generally not having the respect for the people u ride with the road you riding on and its condition. and if you don't trust them let them go. people who don't learn form other peoples crashes and there own. and people who don't give the less experienced people there riding room they deserve.
i am fortunate to ride with a group of guys that are extremly good riders and they have all the good qualitys and have taught me alot

[ned600rr]

and people who cut corners

[Johnny]

and people who cut corners
:clap:

Fucken hate this, how hard is it to stay on your side of the rd ffs, if your crossing lines and over other side unintentionally, well your obviously running out of talent, race lines on a public rd ? please :)

[BART]

No hates...love my group rides, just keep the group numbers to manageable levels. Nothing like a good ride, stopping for good coffee and a chat along the way.

I generally only ride with people I know and trust.

[Turtle]

People who organise rides then Pull-out.......................................John...

[Johnny]

People who organise rides then Pull-out.......................................John...: lmao:

Only did this the one time, and was sick as a dog, not like the happy as a dog with two cocks Muzz Cuz, but sick sick as a dog :p

[Turtle]

:lmao:

Only did this the one time, and was sick as a dog, not like the happy as a dog with two cocks Muzz Cuz, but sick sick as a dog :p

Isn't it amazing how people remember the Bad more than the Good.....lol...:p

[spanky158]

I enjoy group rides, but hate riding with people around me that I don't know what their riding ability is like, have no idea how they ride and what they are likely to do next. I have seen guys slide off their bike in a race pose when they are changing lanes, and I have also seen blokes cane through corners without even lifting their ass off the seat of the bike, those guys would flog the pants off Mr lane changer any day.

My 2 main hates are being boxed in my a bunch of riders I don't know, and being overtaken like I am standing still in a straight line, only to be held up in the corners by the same riders who overtook me on the straights. I ain't a fast rider either, so that's saying something.

[Poyda]

I'm not a fan of road riding, especially in big groups, maybe 10 at most, too many upredicables, plus there are People who feel it necessary to turn EVERY straight road or rest break into a stunting session. If you want to do wheelies, do it close to home, so when it turns pair shaped you can easily get a ute or trailer to get you home and if necessary an ambo to a decent hospital.

[dilbee]

I enjoy group rides that stick togeather as a group. Have the fast ones at front and the slow ones at the back which then makes the group break up in packs. That aint really a group ride then is it. Its great to ride fast but also we have a thing called speed limits too and being busted going fast will no dout loose your lience. Im not saying we should all put along or keep the bikes up in the red zone. But to all be togeather as one is the best feeling.
Also stone chips. Ride too close you always get a few stones chucked at ya for good measure.

[Turtle]

I enjoy group rides that stick togeather as a group. Have the fast ones at front and the slow ones at the back which then makes the group break up in packs. That aint really a group ride then is it. Its great to ride fast but also we have a thing called speed limits too and being busted going fast will no dout loose your lience. Im not saying we should all put along or keep the bikes up in the red zone. But to all be togeather as one is the best feeling.
Also stone chips. Ride too close you always get a few stones chucked at ya for good measure.

It's really only a group ride if everyone cruises at the same pace, bust most rides involving a group tend to split up and of course the faster riders are at the front, but usually everyone meets at the next stop.....it's all good..:ayyy:

[LOAFIE]

I tend to avoid group rides.
I too hate people that fly past me on the straights then slow on the corners.
I Really hate going for a big ride and they turn up having done no maintenace on their bike. Bald tyre,stuffed chain,running like a dog...etc
People that arse around ,everyone has got there gear on and they have not even made movement towards getting set.
Coming to a turn-off and theres no one Holding the corner for the riders behind And dicks that keep on riding instead of taking their place for the guy behind.

AHH i feel better now..:beer:

[Turtle]

I tend to avoid group rides.
I too hate people that fly past me on the straights then slow on the corners.
I Really hate going for a big ride and they turn up having done no maintenace on their bike. Bald tyre,stuffed chain,running like a dog...etc
People that arse around ,everyone has got there gear on and they have not even made movement towards getting set.
Coming to a turn-off and theres no one Holding the corner for the riders behind And dicks that keep on riding instead of taking their place for the guy behind.

AHH i feel better now..:beer:

+1 on the passing on the straight then getting in the way in corners !!!! Wankers that can only pass you when you're in a 60km/h section.....doing 60 !

[gazujc]

While I have never met ZRoyz I agree that his comments come across harsh but they are IMO, entirely correct in that one must ride within your limitations and not to the limitations of others (whether theirs be higher or lower).

I used to participate in group rides ranging upwards of 15 or so bikes but the behaviours (both riding and social) of many was not those of people with whom I want to be associated.

I have experienced or witnessed people popping wheelies in the middle of groups (within metres of other riders), undertaking on corners, dangerous overtaking (blind curves), you name it I have seen it. Then of course you may come to a rest stop and have to listen to the heroic stories of these same idiots or put oup with their derogatory commentary because you choose to ride slower or do not have full leathers, so why ride in groups?

The biggest danger I find with group rides is the behaviours of the boy racer wannabe brigade who believe that they are supremely talented and infallible and who ride well above their own capability (but not that of the bike) whilst having the social skills of Damir Dokic.

Instead (and as many have said) I too now tend to ride with a small group of mates and/or people I know through various forums who ride well within capabilities and respect each other's choices. But then, I suppose that is also the advantage of not riding on boy racer roads or even popular motorcycling roads (after all sportsbikes don't like jumps).

That all said however I will particpiate in the charity type group rides such as toy runs and the Camp Quality rides I organise as these tend be about fun not associated to testing the limits but bringing joy to others.

Good topic though Gixar.




Garry

[_chado77]

wow.. seems like every1 is a rider with stoner capabilitys... if some1 holds you up isnt it you just over take..:confused1:


biggest pet hate is probably stopping every 20mins(but a bit hard when the ducks a thirsty thing:lmao: )..and closely followed by ppl not knowing the route or stop destinations and forcing others to chase, wait etc etc

i reckon the classing system(easy,difficult etc) has some merits worth looking into..

the first rats group road ride was a good one.. :ayyy: ..well organised and good pace with every1 doing their own thing:ayyy:

[Turtle]

While I have never met ZRoyz I agree that his comments come across harsh but they are IMO, entirely correct in that one must ride within your limitations and not to the limitations of others (whether theirs be higher or lower).

I used to participate in group rides ranging upwards of 15 or so bikes but the behaviours (both riding and social) of many was not those of people with whom I want to be associated.

I have experienced or witnessed people popping wheelies in the middle of groups (within metres of other riders), undertaking on corners, dangerous overtaking (blind curves), you name it I have seen it. Then of course you may come to a rest stop and have to listen to the heroic stories of these same idiots or put oup with their derogatory commentary because you choose to ride slower or do not have full leathers, so why ride in groups?

The biggest danger I find with group rides is the behaviours of the boy racer wannabe brigade who believe that they are supremely talented and infallible and who ride well above their own capability (but not that of the bike) whilst having the social skills of Damir Dokic.

Instead (and as many have said) I too now tend to ride with a small group of mates and/or people I know through various forums who ride well within capabilities and respect each other's choices. But then, I suppose that is also the advantage of not riding on boy racer roads or even popular motorcycling roads (after all sportsbikes don't like jumps).

That all said however I will particpiate in the charity type group rides such as toy runs and the Camp Quality rides I organise as these tend be about fun not associated to testing the limits but bringing joy to others.

Good topic though Gixar.




Garry

Well said Garry, i've lost friends due to riders joining in that aren't part of the immediate group. I really pays to have a group that knows each other well and knows how each person rides, that way you can actually read what your mate is going to do.

[Kat00]

Haven`t done many group road rides lately..... but I want to, time is so precious.

But Ive learnt.....
Do what ya want when I`m riding with you.
Those I know, I know what to expect, those I don`t I watch. If your a menace I just give ya room.
Ive been a menace in my time so I figure I should make allowances.
They will learn soon enough.

[zRoYz]

wow.. seems like every1 is a rider with stoner capabilitys... if some1 holds you up isnt it you just over take..:confused1:


If anybody here had that talent they would be in motogp, overtaking works fine on a race track at speed due to late braking into corners, higher entry speed etc.

Overtaking on the road is a little more complex when attending a group ride when there is a very likely chance there will be riders you have never seen before. On the road you can't overtake in a corner or late brake into a corner because even if the person in front pisses you off there probably doing so because there trying to keep up & already riding past there safe limit. How do you feel if you do overtake in this manner & spook them & then see them slam into something or run off the road. Overtaking on road rides should always be carried out in a safe manner on a straight length of road unless double lanes but how often do you get double lanes where the tight twisties are.

I have attended many a large group ride & have watched as people have problems overtaking a more powerful bike than there on because that rider uses all there hp in a straight line & the lower cc bike has lost all there momentum due to braking like a bitch before the corner due to said bike in front. Find many a corner one after the other & the smaller cc bike rider with more skill than the larger cc bike rider leaves them in there dust. This is where respect & road sense comes into play but in a large group ride ego's etc come to play & there is just noway to control this because our roads are for everybody & you can't stop people joining even if you ask them to leave.

This is where Kato is right, you have to just give them room but it does tend to spoil your fun which comes down to ones own enjoyment & what your willing to put up with. I for one don't put up with anything on the road & would rather let people know up front that if they shit me I wont be happy but again if that happens I will just peel off & go my own way because I'm riding my bike for me not others. If I attend someone else's posted ride I will watch & if I don't like I leave & do my own thing it's called common sense which sadly is lacking allot in our society.

I don't think people should really bother with threads like this because there has been many on most forums & there is still the same old shit that happens so just using your head & making choices for yourself is the best option. Don't like a ride leave do your own thing, don't like some of the people going on a ride leave do your own thing, there is a lot of tar out there so no need to put up with things you don't like.

I'm old school & don't mince words if you shit me your going to know about it, but I also take what I give out if I'm in the wrong, I wont stand back & gossip I tell you straight to your face because I find that is more respectful than bitching behind your back. I don't hide behind an internet name like allot of people that sprout shit on forums my name is ROY very simple just like me. If you have meet me you will know I'm a fair person & most enjoy my company but I don't ride my bike to be popular I ride it for ME.

rant over :p

[wayneb60]

well said kat00

i love group ride all levels riders should be welcome

i reckon we,ve all been menace,s some time in our riding life

wayne

[Dunno]

Thank god for trackdays.

I was gonna try to do a few road rides but ive changed my mind. I lot of bitching in this thread about other riders. :confused1:
I was taught from a young age by a wise old man that us bike riders stick together. We cop enough shit from cops, politicians, car drivers & doom sayers without copping more shit from our peers.

I agree there are plenty of clowns out there, but I still stop to offer a hand when I see a bike on the side of the road. Broken down, crashed or just stopped for a smoke.

Bikes are meant to be fun, but all im hearing at the moment is a bunch of old women raving about how every rider (except their close friends) hold them up in corners then speed up on the straights. If you ride as fast as you say you do, the doodle would be 200 metres behind you by the time you hit the straight bits.

On the road I ride like an old woman cos ive seen the blood, the bone, the gravel rash & the death. Mostly new riders who chase off after their more experienced mates who took off at the speed of sound without giving their learner mate a 2nd thought. Who's to blame? No sustitute for experience thats for sure.

Dont like it? Dont do group rides. Pretty simple.

Give me the track anyday, more fun, faster & less sooking by grown men. Then again.................. do I know all people at the track intimately? Are they my closetest friend in the world? Should I trust them? Maybe I should just stop riding all together :beatdeadhorse:

[spanky158]

but all im hearing at the moment is a bunch of old women raving about how every rider (except their close friends) hold them up in corners then speed up on the straights. If you ride as fast as you say you do, the doodle would be 200 metres behind you by the time you hit the straight bits.



Not at all mate, you will notice the last line in my post says that I ain't a fast rider at all. So, for someone to hold me up in corners, says that they are REAAALLY slow, which I have no problem with, except when I am doing 80 in an 80 in the straight bits and these people come screaming past me at 150+, only to be much slower than me in the corners. Again, I have said already that I ain't a fast rider.

Like I said, only 2 things really bother me, 1 is the scenario described above, and 2 is being surrounded by people who I have no idea how they ride. I ain't gonna stop group rides cause of this, because I do enjoy the group rides. All I am gonna do is give em room, and stay away from those people that I do observe to be "dangerous" riders, simple solution to the problem. I ride bikes for ME too, and I enjoy group rides, cause I like following other peoples lines, etc, you can learn a lot from riding with other people. You just need to know which people to stay away from.

[BART]

Well said Dunno.......

Bikes are meant to be fun.

[Johnny]

:lmao: :lmao:

Just laughing at how all the Valentino's have now turned into Casey's.

Love it..... :lmao:

[Jordan]

Pet peave would be riding with people who think it's too much of a nuisance to stop and help someone more unfortunate. Noone means to crash and everyone at some stage exceed their limits, if your unlucky enough to crash and I have to stop to help you I wont be mad or upset or pissed that it has wrecked my ride. Your wrecked bike, gear, body and pride is enough of a kick in the head, it's not an offence that should be punishable by death. Be you a motorcyclist, pushbike rider, cop, p-plater or senior citizen. There's always another day where I can chase tarmac, and hopefully with more people looking out for others there will be another day for those that do have accidents.

[Jordan]

my only other annoyance would be people making judgements on my safety.

[SLAC]

Haven`t done many group road rides lately..... but I want to, time is so precious.

But Ive learnt.....
Do what ya want when I`m riding with you.
Those I know, I know what to expect, those I don`t I watch. If your a menace I just give ya room.
Ive been a menace in my time so I figure I should make allowances.
They will learn soon enough.

+1...Spot on!! everyone whinging (i dont care just a passing comment) do what is above.. Simple.
Question to all those expirenced riders here. WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR EXPIRNECE? = From riding :ninja:

[quickchick]

My bike is fun and I always have a smile on my dial when I'm on it!!

As for group rides, depends on how big the group is and how well I know the people. If it is a fairly small group (10 or less) and I know them really well and how they ride, I have no issues. If it is a large group or there are people there I don't know or how they ride, I ride with caution and watch them for a while. If they are idiots, I steer clear of them.

Dislikes generally while riding: Corner cutting bikes and cars, heroes that think they are better riders than Casey Stoner, flashing red and blue lights and/or sirens (not necessarily in that particular order).

[zRoYz]

:lmao: :lmao:

Just laughing at how all the Valentino's have now turned into Casey's.

Love it..... :lmao:

Valentino is a GOD........but Casey is the current world champ & he's an Australian :)

[spanky158]

<<+1...Spot on!! everyone whinging (i dont care just a passing comment) do what is above.. Simple.
Question to all those expirenced riders here. WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR EXPIRNECE? = From ridin>> by Graham


Absolute, and I don't think anyone will disagree with what is KAT00 says here, it is spot on. Doesn't stop other shit happening, just responding to the topic I guess, cause it is what do you HATE about group rides, topic was bound to breed whinging huh. If ya don't want to hear people whinge, don't read a topic about HATES...

[sharpe1]

I enjoy riding with people I enjoy riding with.

And not that he needs any support, I have ridden a few times with Roy, Irena and the big fellow( whose name escapes me) and they have been most enjoyable.

[zRoYz]

Absolute, and I don't think anyone will disagree with what is KAT00 says here, it is spot on. Doesn't stop other shit happening, just responding to the topic I guess, cause it is what do you HATE about group rides, topic was bound to breed whinging huh. If ya don't want to hear people whinge, don't read a topic about HATES...

bloody hell logic, shame others can't read what the thread was about :ayyy:

this thread is exact reason I don't do large group rides people don't read or understand whats in front of them even in a thread about group rides.

there is also the other can of worms that not one person has even mentioned & that is the "LAW SUIT" factor if your deemed to be giving rider training, rider help etc & your not covered for it, yes it sucks but it's the world we live in which can only be fixed if we kill all lawyers.

[SLAC]

people don't read or understand whats in front of them even in a thread about group rides.

good point, i couldn't be bothered reading the headline again, just saw all the whinging, but thats what this thread is about.

My grip then, not having time to go watch people act like hooligans, ride dangerously and crash. Makes for good talking later over a beer or 10. :)

[pan]

I don't like it when it's really hot and I sweat inside my leathers... It's okay when I'm alone, but with a group other people can smell me too.

I also like standing on the pegs and farting at times. In a group ya gotta think about who's behind you... bla bla bla... :confused1:

[lilninja]

Ive got no problems with people crashing on group rides, I have been one of them, Its those that dont learn from there mistakes, go fix/buy another bike and do it again the next group ride that they attend shits me!

[lilninja]

oh and those that get the shits with slower riders even though its an open invitation or wont give 5 mins to give a little advice, its not that hard people and we've all been there!

[Turtle]

Everyone rides at a different pace anyway. There's always faster riders in the groups.

[quickchick]

Unless your name is Casey Stoner and then you're the fastest!! :p

[spanky158]

Always faster riders, and that's why I LIKE group rides, cause there is always someone to learn off, follow lines, etc, helps me out with my riding. I am a back of the pack rider at the best of times, so sometimes it's good to see/talk to some of the quicker guys on these rides about their lines and techniques.

[muzz]

troo

[spanky158]

Was lookin for ya last night before we left muzz, didn't know where ya got to!

[Irena]

Always faster riders, and that's why I LIKE group rides, cause there is always someone to learn off, follow lines, etc, helps me out with my riding. I am a back of the pack rider at the best of times, so sometimes it's good to see/talk to some of the quicker guys on these rides about their lines and techniques.

+1 :ayyy:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Falco]

Wow, five pages of constant whinge-bagging.
Somebody had a bad day.:p

[muzz]

Was lookin for ya last night before we left muzz, didn't know where ya got to!

was talkin to gixar

[Johnny]

was talkin to gixar
And was good seeing ya again Muzz cuz :ayyy:


I dont want to come across in wrong way as is so easy to do on these forums, but, who here is whinging ? and more importantly why is it being taken as whinging ?
I posted up a thread asking what is your hates with group rides for a few reasons, one, cause I wanted to know which isnt too hard to understand, two and more importantly, so we can all learn from it in someway, and not do these things on a group a ride so we all can have fun and not go home shaking our head in disgust.
So, where was the whinging again exactly ? where people were being honest enough to say what pisses them off ? I dont think so at all, and glad for the contributions by all..
I think zROYZ was right all along, these threads will make no difference, the same shit will go on with each group ride, no-one will take it onboard and just wipe it off by calling it a whinge, end of story.
Delete thread please mods, its useless now.

[Dr freedom]

group rides are ok .. I go slow, I go quick, I dont hassle others, I give room to clowns, I wave others by so they can extend something, I overtake if im extending something, if your behind me & wanting to go quicker, pass me or stfu :) .. group rides are ok

[Marcus]

i've lost friends due to riders joining in that aren't part of the immediate group. I really pays to have a group that knows each other well and knows how each person rides, that way you can actually read what your mate is going to do.

I hear ya mate!

For me, there are so many possibilities and hates is such a strong word. But looking at this thread, I would probably ride with everyone who has posted on this thread. Basically, my only real requirement is common sense. I really dont give a shit if your fast or slow. Common sense and saftey are usually hand in hand

[kellz]

i only have on pet hate
some hero speeding past me in my lane pulling a wheelie.
that is just fucken rude and its not gonna impress me all its gonna do is make me tell you off and comment on how small your dick is.

for crying out loud there is an ettiquette on rides, i dont giev a shit if your the worlds best wheelie guy, dont fucken do it next to me if you fuck up you will likely bring me down with you.

so thats my warning, if you ride with me dont wheelie next to me, do it when your heaps far infront or hold back and do them. but then again that wouldnt be stroking your ego enough so how about you keep both wheels on teh ground and id be more impressed by arriving safely and happily to my destination.

trust me you dont wanna see me get shitty just ask dungy.. :D

[Sprinter]

I dont do "group" rides a lot. Just 2 or 3 or so people that I know. So based on my limited experience the only things that bug me are

1 People who ride faster than me

2 People who ride slower than me

3 People with better bikes than me

4 People with bikes worse than mine

5 People with gaudy over the top paint schemes on their helmets

6 People with really dull paint schemes on their helmets

7 People who turn up without protective gear

8 People who turn up in full leathers

9 People who have to stop for breaks all the time

10 People who dont stop for breaks often enough

11 People who overtake me because Im slower

12 People who sit behind me and dont overtake when Im slower

13 People I get stuck behind when Im faster

14 People who "move" to let me past when Im faster

15 People who turn up without being prepared

16 People who turn up looking like they want to recreate "The Long Way Round"

17 People who wave all the time

18 People who dont wave

19 People who turn up late and keep us waiting

20 People who are impatient when I turn up late

21 People who "stunt" around me

22 People who get upset when my "stoppie" runs into them

Apart from those few things Im pretty easy going.

[j-rad]

Sprinter .......GOLD...

typical public servant yeh??? :lmao:

Did you have that approved by the sub committee before posting it up?

I dunno dude, you seem pretty easy going to me!

[pan]

Excellent stuff Sprinter :clap:

If you remove No.18, I'll ride with ya! :ayyy:

[Mr Bones]

Sprinter that was great! :ayyy:

I'll be comin on some road rides this year and I'll probobly have my Mrs on the back until she gets the confidence to ride her own bike. And when she does I'll most likely have to wait for her every now and then. Thats because I ride cause I love bikes I love the feel of the open road, sure I like to go a bit quick through the twisties but im mostly on a casual speed down the straights. If you want to go silly down the straights? Go to the drags! I go to the track to go fast around bends and so should you. sure I'll have a go on the bends but just enough to enjoy it.
And I second Kellz here If I've got my Mrs on the back and you carrry on like A fuckwit and put her and me in danger I'll simply pull over and go the other way, She on the other hand is not as casual as I am. :headshake:
Soon if you ride like a dick you'll be all on your own and then you can stop and tell yourself about the size of your cock and your ego too!
Don't get me wrong I love to have some fun anybody who knows me will tell you that but I also like to come home to my little house with my Mrs intact and then plan the next road ride hopefully with out dickheads.
Thats what shits me about road rides DICKHEADS!
Thanks for reading you'll See you on the open road. :ayyy:

[jasonbw]

Brilliant sprinter :D and Bones, and heaps of others

[Sprinter]

....

I dunno dude, you seem pretty easy going to me!


Yeah and yet no one ever invites me anymore :confused1:

[Dunno]

Sprinter that was great.

Reading this thread it seems that we all agree on one thing. Common sense isnt all that common. We have all seen idiots on the road & we choose to go the other way.
As for the whingeing......... I will admit I had a good whinge about other people whingeing. Irony or just my ignorance?

Why dont we start a thread about what you love about group riding? Will probably have the same content as this one.

Goin fast, wheelies, riding with your mates, corners, straights etc Everything except crashing & caravans.:D

[j-rad]

ppl are too funny.........

it's a thread asking what you hate so you'd expect to hear plp whinging.

Good idea with the 'love about' thread!! get it going!

[Turtle]

I dont do "group" rides a lot. Just 2 or 3 or so people that I know. So based on my limited experience the only things that bug me are

1 People who ride faster than me

2 People who ride slower than me

3 People with better bikes than me

4 People with bikes worse than mine

5 People with gaudy over the top paint schemes on their helmets

6 People with really dull paint schemes on their helmets

7 People who turn up without protective gear

8 People who turn up in full leathers

9 People who have to stop for breaks all the time

10 People who dont stop for breaks often enough

11 People who overtake me because Im slower

12 People who sit behind me and dont overtake when Im slower

13 People I get stuck behind when Im faster

14 People who "move" to let me past when Im faster

15 People who turn up without being prepared

16 People who turn up looking like they want to recreate "The Long Way Round"

17 People who wave all the time

18 People who dont wave

19 People who turn up late and keep us waiting

20 People who are impatient when I turn up late

21 People who "stunt" around me

22 People who get upset when my "stoppie" runs into them

Apart from those few things Im pretty easy going.


+1......:lmao:

[kellz]

thats pure gold...

i love group rides for the social aspect. i just wanna arrive home safe and alive is a good thing

[DAVID]

WOW:hatter: I need a Bex and lay down after reading that.......

[Birdman]

I hate it when Suzukis turn up ... who do they think they're kidding it's supposed to be a ride for real bikes!! :wtf1:

got give em an A for effort though .. making cheese look like a bike isnt easy:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Mr Bones]

Wow im really looking forward to gettin on the road now, :ayyy:
Imagine the wingin thats gonna go on at our first stop. :lmao:
Far out we'll probably all go home after that with headaches. :confused1:

I reckon the general idea from this thread is we all love to ride at own pace and be comfortable so apart from all the new enemeis you've made from this thread :) just remmember next time where on the road together too think of this thread as you pass some poor bastard then screw it onto the back wheel.

Gixar this was a great topic mate, :ayyy: it got people talkin which is why where here right? :n:

[Squirts]

the Wednesday night rides (be it any of the Trella rides) are now no "P" or "L" plate riders....

had too many issues/problems in the past with inexperienced riders..

bit of a shit go - as how are they supposed to learn to ride quick/safely when not in a decent group to keep an eye on them... You do get the odd idiot though that ruins it for everyone..

[zRoYz]

bit of a shit go - as how are they supposed to learn to ride quick/safely when not in a decent group to keep an eye on them

I have seen this statement pop up a fair bit in this thread & here is my answer :n:

Don't these L & P plate riders have friends that ride with more exp than them to get some pointers off. Even if they don't they have the use of a computer which they used to view forums to join any group ride so why can't they use that same computer, same forum to post up "would anybody be willing to take me out on a ride so I can improve my road skills" (don't post training because it opens the insurance I'll sue can of worms).

You have to be aware rider training has schools for such things this is where they should go not put others at risk in a large group ride because they don't have the skills to ride in close quarters with other bikes, get spooked because another bike passes to close or push beyond the skill level to try to keep up.

Again it is all common sense stuff but common sense isn't something your born with just like the skill to ride a bike & road craft (unless your rossi bloody freak).

If I'm asked by a new rider to help them out I 99% of the time do & I can name allot of forum names I have helped, but I'm not a qualified rider trainer hell I'm not that good a rider if I was I would be earning money from it. You put fresh riders in a large group with every tom dick & harry who THINK there good riders don't you think they might learn more bad habits than good.

THIS IS WHY THERE ARE RIDER TRAINING SCHOOLS :)

[VINNIE]

We all had to learn sometime

[triumph]

We all had to learn sometime

yep even me.

[muzz]

the Wednesday night rides (be it any of the Trella rides) are now no "P" or "L" plate riders....

had too many issues/problems in the past with inexperienced riders..

bit of a shit go - as how are they supposed to learn to ride quick/safely when not in a decent group to keep an eye on them... You do get the odd idiot though that ruins it for everyone..

legally im on me Ls so does that put me out too?
been ridin for years just never been arsed to get my licence
gotta to the Ps thing soon i spose ,if i get caught im stuffed anyway with the TL
muz:)

[gazujc]

the Wednesday night rides (be it any of the Trella rides) are now no "P" or "L" plate riders....

had too many issues/problems in the past with inexperienced riders..

bit of a shit go - as how are they supposed to learn to ride quick/safely when not in a decent group to keep an eye on them... You do get the odd idiot though that ruins it for everyone..


With respects (not having a go at you personally) I always find it interesting when people mention 'riding quickly' in the context of L&P plate riders as riding fast is the last thing they should be doing or worrying about.

L&P platers should be more focused on the safety aspects (as mentioned) of their riding but these are often overlooked in the world of 'go fast'. Unfortunately we know the all to frequent results of this push to 'go fast' by the inexperienced amongst us.

As for the safety side, new riders should be focused on bike control technique, bike maintenence, body position and posture, observation skills just to name a few. But I often hear (and see in forums) L&P platers wanting to know 'how to ride faster'.

It needs to be remembered that riding fast does not necessarily make you a good rider and the L&P amongst us need to be taught that and I believe that rides like Kat00's are a step well in the right direction.

Sorry drifted off topic there a bit.






Garry

[Captain]

legally im on me Ls so does that put me out too?
been ridin for years just never been arsed to get my licence
gotta to the Ps thing soon i spose ,if i get caught im stuffed anyway with the TL
muz:)

Can you still do that muzz?
Ions ago we all used to ride on our L's, and simply renew them every 12 months. The reason was that L's had no demerit points; you could ride as you wished, you'd still get booked but couldn't lose your licence, it was heaven.
I guess the concept was that you were learning and allowed to make mistakes. But I thought they shut that system down years ago ...

[zRoYz]

Can you still do that muzz?
Ions ago we all used to ride on our L's, and simply renew them every 12 months. The reason was that L's had no demerit points; you could ride as you wished, you'd still get booked but couldn't lose your licence, it was heaven.
I guess the concept was that you were learning and allowed to make mistakes. But I thought they shut that system down years ago ...

They did shut the system down long ago because I was on L's for over 6 years when I was a younger person. The only thing now is if your over 35 & have a car lic you don't have P's you do the test but go straight to full lic with no lams restriction. The only restriction is your not allowed to pillion for 12 months.

If your riding a bike which isn't covered by Lams on L's then your not covered by any insurance even green slip so you are more or less riding without any cover for yourself or anybody you may hit. If your hit by anybody that isn't lic for bike there riding you will have to sue them for your money & if your hurt needing green slip cover your at least covered for that with your own green slip cover. If your insured your insurance will sue them for you to recover money.
So more or less if your on L's & not riding a Lams bike your riding unlic & will be treated as such.

Also if unlic rider (your classed unlic if on L's & not on Lams bike) is hit even if not there fault they don't get paid squat as they shouldn't be on the road & the at fault driver/rider can claim there damage off the unlic rider.

[Birdman]

the Wednesday night rides (be it any of the Trella rides) are now no "P" or "L" plate riders....

had too many issues/problems in the past with inexperienced riders..

bit of a shit go - as how are they supposed to learn to ride quick/safely when not in a decent group to keep an eye on them... You do get the odd idiot though that ruins it for everyone..

dont see a problem with that, from what i hear the wed night ride isnt as quick as when i used to do it but combine lack of skill with group ride and night time i fully understand.

i have no problem in lending a hand to new riders but it is not going to happen on a ride that was started as a fast ride for experienced riders. The group shouldnt have to slow down, wait and look after slower inexpeirenced riders that will push trying to keep up.

Theres plenty of rides that cater for l and p so they should use common sense and start on these before they come play with the big boys

[Dr freedom]

big boys lol ..

[muzz]

[QUOTE=zRoYz;75567]They did shut the system down long ago because I was on L's for over 6 years when I was a younger person. The only thing now is if your over 35 & have a car lic you don't have P's you do the test but go straight to full lic with no lams restriction. The only restriction is your not allowed to pillion for 12 months.

If your riding a bike which isn't covered by Lams on L's then your not covered by any insurance even green slip so you are more or less riding without any cover for yourself or anybody you may hit. If your hit by anybody that isn't lic for bike there riding you will have to sue them for your money & if your hurt needing green slip cover your at least covered for that with your own green slip cover. If your insured your insurance will sue them for you to recover money.
So more or less if your on L's & not riding a Lams bike your riding unlic & will be treated as such.

well i was going to do that over 30s thing but your licence has to be current for 5 years in a row .
now when i did me Ls test 6 months back i was ready to go and book the Ps right after and the rta said there was a period of 2 years where my licence hadnt been renewed ,what a load of crap but i cant prove it
any way ive gotta do my Ps and then wait 12 mnths

muzzz

[GRL13]

(ps: I just worked 24hours in 32 hours[7amsaturday to 3pm today, still awake], so my spelling will be more shitter than usual)

I Finlay got the net back on, aye for me.
L's and P's are not the issue, nor what you can and can not do.

hate...................... thats a bit toooooooooooooooo harsh a word for me.
UNIMPRESSED is more to the point
with the lack of correct teaching some of us got when we were learning. I learnt with my X-boyfriend, him on his thrumpy and me on a GN250. he wuld tack off and wait for me, looking at his watch as I would pull up every time. "your getting faster" he said. needless to say I came off on Lemmings Corner out at Buckettie (whateva). on my one fucked up me and fucked up bike. thought fast was the way. stacking it intothe armco was the fastest way to slow me down and learn. I wasn't tought, i was teased in a way because of my lack of knowlage and didn't know much better back then. then i started asking questins and eves droppin. my dad always said, "think about it",said that alotwhen i was growin up . it works aye, the ole boys words of wisdom. spending time with a in-experenced rider is somethin we all should do. a few words of wisdom can sometimes help. lisence level aint the point, confidence in your own abillty, bike, tyres is what takes time. we all didn't get to our abillities over night. andwheelies, if i know your a 1 wheel jocky............. honey, i b watchin u. been with allmy mates when they were learnin. i'm not gunna stop ridin witem just because they wheelies.their my mates. they should watch me as much as i watch then, and i know they do.
fuck im tired
anyway, i missed my point somewhere. what was i trying to say? I'll ride with anyone, i'll watch outfor you if your infront or behind me. i justride at my pace, not yours.
It's a duty of care we have for other riders.

oh right, now i got it, unimpressed with riders that .................. fuck it's gone again ................................... got it, unimpressed with riders that DONT use their mirrors or acknowlage what wssa in that mirror, and don't let you pass.


pss. did that make sence

[Birdman]

yeah that made sense but usually theres nothing in my mirrors so why bother looking at them:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Johnny]

Gixar this was a great topic mate, :ayyy: it got people talkin which is why where here right? :n:
Thanx, but I think the aim of thread has been overlooked and backfired even.

Was meant to have people say what they dislike (fair enough hate is a strong word), about group rides, so we all, myself included, can see what others dont like about group rides, hopefully learn from it and not have these things happen on a ride. But, when others say what pisses them off, its called a whinge and said that they wont ride with them again, rightyO into the playground and pick up 15 peices of rubbish kiddies :lmao:

Asked for thread to be deleted, cause I saw what was happening and was not to what aim of thread was, turned into the making of a shitfight really :) , its cool and dont mind it not being deleted, just hope people can see that their opinion isnt the only one that matters, others have a right to their opinion aswell, if you dont like, thats cool, they probably dont like yours too , but its all about having fun and enjoying the ride, so to judge anyone from whats said here alone, is pretty silly :)

[Birdman]

Ahhh John such a diplomat

[Captain]

It's always a challenge riding with others

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=097_1200399693

[zenodamper]

Errmm - What to "dislike" (like less) about "group riding" - hmm, the grouping aspect I suppose? But then it wouldn't be a group ride now would it....?

I suppose 2 or 3 others is good - this ways I can sit behind and not worry about people behind me - and this makes me non-responsible for "egging" them into a turn too fast! I really dislike the whole death at the sde of the road thing.... and I ain't looking for women on rides, or massive social networking-whirling - I thought it were about having a kwik hack somewhere?

Things have changed so much in the last 20 years - even here in Oz - I can recall being a young 'un and looking for people to ride with when I were 17; but there never seemed to be much happening - I rode with an army geezer for a while; but he got himself killed at some traffic lights.... But I didn't grow up or do skool here, and there was no internet; so whom ever turned up and nudged me awake was someone to ride with; but them days are gone, and I no longer sleep on me GSX1100 outside tatoo parlours - got a home now! (...and no longer own a Suzuki) - and have done much edumacation, languages and jobs since in lots of countries.... being young was tough, so I guess I get it as to why they all wanna hang out and go together on these rides.... lucky them maybe...?! Or did I get alot out of riding interstate on my own as often as I could afford the petrol? Maybe I learnt less? Can't press "rewind"....

Hmm, I'm gas-bagging - better do some work! :p

[zRoYz]

Errmm - What to "dislike" (like less) about "group riding" - hmm, the grouping aspect I suppose? But then it wouldn't be a group ride now would it....?

I suppose 2 or 3 others is good - this ways I can sit behind and not worry about people behind me - and this makes me non-responsible for "egging" them into a turn too fast! I really dislike the whole death at the sde of the road thing.... and I ain't looking for women on rides, or massive social networking-whirling - I thought it were about having a kwik hack somewhere?

Things have changed so much in the last 20 years - even here in Oz - I can recall being a young 'un and looking for people to ride with when I were 17; but there never seemed to be much happening - I rode with an army geezer for a while; but he got himself killed at some traffic lights.... But I didn't grow up or do skool here, and there was no internet; so whom ever turned up and nudged me awake was someone to ride with; but them days are gone, and I no longer sleep on me GSX1100 outside tatoo parlours - got a home now! (...and no longer own a Suzuki) - and have done much edumacation, languages and jobs since in lots of countries.... being young was tough, so I guess I get it as to why they all wanna hang out and go together on these rides.... lucky them maybe...?! Or did I get alot out of riding interstate on my own as often as I could afford the petrol? Maybe I learnt less? Can't press "rewind"....

Hmm, I'm gas-bagging - better do some work! :p

If my forks aren't done your computer will bring new meaning to the words "personal computer" :lmao: :lmao:

[Turtle]

If my forks aren't done your computer will bring new meaning to the words "personal computer" :lmao: :lmao:

:lmao: :lmao: Com'on Roy....its not like you to get Violent....:lmao:

[zenodamper]

If my forks aren't done your computer will bring new meaning to the words "personal computer" :lmao: :lmao:

The bushings should be here soon, und den I slotz it togedder, wotza da problemo? :lmao:

[Birdman]

:lmao:
:lmao: :lmao: Com'on Roy....its not like you to get Violent....:lmao:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: hes a pussy cat turtle !!!!:lmao: :lmao:

[Turtle]

Another "Group ride hate" of mine is when people Back-out 5minute before you leave to go on the ride.......:cursing:

[Turtle]

If my forks aren't done your computer will bring new meaning to the words "personal computer" :lmao: :lmao:

So did you get them back ??? Or is Zeno wearing his PC around as a hat ??? :lmao: