helmet /tank cam

[muzz]

i just brought one of those helmet cam thingys of e bay for $199 after spending all day today trying to find one in the shops.
looks like a good thing ,you get 1 hours recording on a 2gb sd card
640 x 480 vga @30 frames per sec with sound .its about the size of a dunny roll inner and takes AA batterys..i just hope it turns up by next weekend

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wireless-Action-Helmet-Cam-Camera-AUSTRALIAN-SELLER_W0QQitemZ170157011577QQihZ007QQcategoryZ326 28QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[pan]

Looks great. Let us know how it goes and post some footage if you can! :ayyy:

[Chaser]

I'd be keen to see how you mount it on the bike. I'm definitely interested in one too.

[jasonbw]

Good stuff!!! Hope it all works out well.

[trumpst]

Jay had one of those at last OP trackday. Not sure if he ended up getting anything- make sure you have high quality, long life batteries. pm Jay to see what went wrong on day.

[fullhouse]

get a 20twenty one, much better...

[pan]

get a 20twenty one, much better...

Just Googled it...
All I seem to find is skin care products... :confused1:

What do you know about them? Have you tried them? Can you stock them?
Can you tell us more?

Can you PM me a rough price?

[jasonbw]

Wayne Gardner imports the twenty20 cameras... more expensive but high quality gear (apparently).. that might help with the search.

[Kimbo]

Hey Gixernut. They do a good job. They are easy to mount with the attatchments that come with them. They are pretty tough as well. The good thing is they are cheap . I run with a 2gb card that gives you an hour of recording.I mounted mine in the fairing . Also mounted it on my ski helmut

[muzz]

yip i like cheap...cheap like me wife
muz

[Marcus]

I think sprinter has used one...

Youtube search for oregen scientific, heaps of bike vids!

Bit noisy but I was goi9ng to get one and tape over the mic

[Turtle]

A mate of mine uses a "20twenty" on the motorcross track and the footage is really good, very clear.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Twenty-20-Helmet-Camera-Twenty20-Suzuki-Honda-Yamaha-R1_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35580QQihZ018QQitemZ 280078148127QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

[muzz]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh "cheap" eh?????:cursing:
He's gonna PAY for that comment.... me thinx me might go a-shoppin!!!!!!!!! ;)
signed: Mrs gixernut!!! :stupid:

[slow bro]

Hey I just got One off ebay for $160 with a 2GB sd card included. I hope they're as good a the pictures on the link.:ayyy:

[jasonbw]

woo hoo.. good stuff!

[swabio]

Hmmm for those that do not want to risk a video cam being thrown down the road..... and would like to record directly onto CF / SD etc, check out the San Disk V Mate.... it looks pretty good, I am going to get one when i return to Oz, and see how it goes.....

[jasonbw]

Heres the Vmate info
http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Default.aspx?CatID=1209

Edit, nahh, it requires AC power... need too long of a lead at EC... maybe OP is okay though

[swabio]

Heres the Vmate info
http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Default.aspx?CatID=1209

Edit, nahh, it requires AC power... need too long of a lead at EC... maybe OP is okay though

all you need is a converter that will output the 12v bike power to the correvt voltage etc for the v mate, no different than something like an in car mobile charger etc.... pretty sure the vmate wont require 240v ;) ;)

[Turtle]

Hey I just got One off ebay for $160 with a 2GB sd card included. I hope they're as good a the pictures on the link.:ayyy:

It will be good to see how well they work..........thats a great price .....!

[jasonbw]

Inverters are usually kind big though, I know it'd be small Wattage but I havent seen a tiny inverter.. might not work out.. maybe? :)

[Turtle]

There's an inverter thats about the size of a can, it pumps out about 350-400 watts...>

[DanOz]

What about installing this

http://www.sportbikecam.com.au/

and using a normal photo/video camera?
I have a casio Exlim that is slim enough not to give any hussle once installed...

[Chaser]

I believe EC wont let you use it on the track. There is another version I have seen that mounts to the rear peg mounts at the side of your bike, but the same problem arises at EC.

[swabio]

What about installing this

http://www.sportbikecam.com.au/

and using a normal photo/video camera?
I have a casio Exlim that is slim enough not to give any hussle once installed...

I have one of these tank mounts, awesome quality, and if you do a search you can see some of the vids I have done with it..... ie....

http://www.youtube.com/v/lcFfWKLVpaY

AS mentioned though, EC won't allow it to go on the track... also..... they do get in the way a little bit...... not too bad, but a little inconvenient.....

[Dunno]

Well here is what im hoping for as an Xmas pressie. Can someone please let my Mrs know. Thanks

http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=6&scid=14&pid=709

[Chaser]

Awesome view! Nice riding too. What camera are you using Swabio?

[j-rad]

Hi everyone,
Thought I might share my experience using video cameras for our videos via Cunningstunts.

I personally use a Panasonic Digital Camera - for my setup you MUST ensure you have AV - IN/out extra plug.

OK - Now Jaycar is THE place to go - my Lippy cost $250 in itself (nothing else with it) and the quality is what you'll see on our DVDs - extremely awesome quality.
Only problem is there is a little bit of set up involved. You will need a battery to run it all, leads etc - what you're doing with this setyup is buying the compents and putting it all together. This is a great system, great if you already have a decent video camera and just want to add to it. NOW The BIGGEST prob with this setup is there is NO MIC because you plug the video feed into the AV - cutting out the video camera's Mic!!
So again, off to Jaycar and I bought myself the $7.50 Powered Mic unit kit - soldered together myself and way ya go. the Lapell mic sits in my CamelBack/leathers(anywhere outta the wind) - the mic is powered by the same battery that powers the lippy. All of this will happily/safiy fit in the rear cowl unit of my GSXR750s + 1000 so all you have is one lead and the lippy. I simply tape the camera ANYWHERE - helmet facing forwards/backwards - and all over the bike both directions.

NOW - that is a CHEAP way out of a simple problem - another way is:

Samsung make a new generation of USB/Flash memory 'Sports Extreme' Cams.

These units ARE TINY.......they also have an inbuilt mic and a remote control unit with light that tells you when recording.....also has a handy little Camera Pouch which always aligns the camera the right way and makes it HELLA easy to mount in a number of spots - better than me just taping it direct to bike but same results....
Probs with this setup:
Compress's to MP4 - VERY poor resolution - worse than most Utube clips
only 20min battery life. 45 mins recording LOW Res before you must dump it to a laptop or PC - again expensive equipment to carry around.

I would strongly recommend AGAINST buying any 'lippy' style cam less than $150 - the quality and light sensitivity are just not there.....

if ya want any more info PM directly I can even send some more details through

[j-rad]

I have one of these tank mounts, awesome quality, and if you do a search you can see some of the vids I have done with it..... ie....

http://www.youtube.com/v/lcFfWKLVpaY

AS mentioned though, EC won't allow it to go on the track... also..... they do get in the way a little bit...... not too bad, but a little inconvenient.....

dAMMIT - I hate to disagree - that is some GOOD footage you have there but the quality is still a bit low compared to the Jaycar
Camera's available - for less than 250 in setup (excluding the camera) you will get High res DVD Quality footage, which focuses properly even at high speeds and adjusts to light better.....

that's just what I've found - I haven't used all the systems out there by far but I've seen the results and have yet to come across better quality footage from jaycar compents - they still have the el cheapo SQaure plastic mounted jobs which can be handy for clipping onto your bikes - it's just I'd not bother cause for the extra coin same shop you can get 400 % better footage.....

[j-rad]

Here is the Samsung unit I mentioned:

We bought one 6 months ago - RRP back then was $1200 - it's a HANDY camera but footage is too poor for us to use on our DVDs so we mainly use it for filming us ride our dirt bikes...Not a bad unit and like I said - handy...ok results if you just barely want to see what you're doing but certainly not worth $1200

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SCX105L-Sports-Camcorder-Optical/dp/B0007QN8AG

When I want good footage to remember or edit into a full clip then I always use my Panasonic handy cam with the jaycar Lippy - never had a problem and in fact - there are other lenses available for this style lippy so fish eyed lenses etc will screw straight on!!!

[Chaser]

Great to here it from someone who does this commercially.

[j-rad]

Thanks Chaser -
I'm more than happy to share any experiences, whether riding road, track or dirt and also filming and IT related issues - the Founding Forefathers of Cunningstunts, (myself, Bender adn Disco Stu) are all IT NERDS so we make our own clips on our website + Utube clips - search for Cunningstunts on Utube and there's a bit ...(except for DVDs being released via BlackMarket Films/Duke distribution)

So yeh - anything bikes, IT or even playing the guitar I can be of assistance! I make play my own original music via and we are trying to use it for our Simple/smaller clips - I run (amongst other things) a Boss RC-20 Loop station so I can create my own songs that have drums, bass, guitars, vocal - whatever you need - then I just burn to CD and away we go.....

If anyone wants to know more about Loop technology for music, for Video capturing via Lippy, editing etc just post up or email or whatever...
Seems I'm being a bit of a forum whore at the moment so feel free to post in our website forum all your questions.......!

[swabio]

dAMMIT - I hate to disagree - that is some GOOD footage you have there but the quality is still a bit low compared to the Jaycar
Camera's available - for less than 250 in setup (excluding the camera) you will get High res DVD Quality footage, which focuses properly even at high speeds and adjusts to light better.....

that's just what I've found - I haven't used all the systems out there by far but I've seen the results and have yet to come across better quality footage from jaycar compents - they still have the el cheapo SQaure plastic mounted jobs which can be handy for clipping onto your bikes - it's just I'd not bother cause for the extra coin same shop you can get 400 % better footage.....

The crappy footage I put up is more to do with my lack of ability with post production, as the actual footage is awesome quality....... i just have no idea when it comes to getting it to a suitable compression for the net... ie You Tube, MetaCafe etc..... as you can tell by the uber shit sound...... :( :confused1:

The actual camera itself is a JVC GZ MC 100 (http://www.cnet.com.au/camcorders/camcorders/0,239035915,240003406,00.htm), I got this cam, as it takes CF, which eliminates the moving parts mixed with...vibration problem...

The problem is it does not have an AV in, so no option for a lippy, which is why i ended up getting a Canon DV cam also, as I intend on getting a three camera set up going on my race bike. Forward, rear & dash / facing my melon..... with a Quad processor (http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/multicamera.htm#quad) overlaying them in real time to a single av out, which will then record on the DV cam, or I may trial a v-mate........

It is good to hear those Jaycar lippy's are good, as I was not too sure about them, but was hoping to find out their quality, as I will be getting a few of them, and getting some crazy set-ups for track day / races....... The mic thing is the other side of the equation, I was wondering where to get a decent little mic.... as I want it mounted out of the wind..... and to the rear of the bike.....

[j-rad]

It is good to hear those Jaycar lippy's are good, as I was not too sure about them, but was hoping to find out their quality, as I will be getting a few of them, and getting some crazy set-ups for track day / races....... The mic thing is the other side of the equation, I was wondering where to get a decent little mic.... as I want it mounted out of the wind..... and to the rear of the bike.....[/QUOTE]

Wear a camelback and just chuck the lapell mic in there - right near the exhaust so great sound to edit with and NO wind....works extrememly well and the 1 battery powers the lot.

I will try and remember to take some pics and post up.

[jasonbw]

clever !!!!

[Chaser]

I found out today that cameras are allowed at EC as long as they are mounted out of the way - so no large tank mounts. The smaller cameras are fine.

[Kimbo]

My Oregon Scientific is mounted in the fairing with a small hole in the front.It's out of the way and can't snag the rider if something goes wrong. I used it at the Island in Sept and I used it on the 30th at EI. Even mentioed it in an email to Steve Brougy as I wasn't happy with the corner marshall. After reviewing the video I told him the marshall did have the flag out. He seemed ok with it. He even mentioned it in his return email

[seraph]

thanks for the info on the lippy cams, j-rad :) can I ask whether the mics you use with it have decent quality sound? as in, can you reccord voice off them? or just background bike noises? cheers J

[j-rad]

thanks for the info on the lippy cams, j-rad :) can I ask whether the mics you use with it have decent quality sound? as in, can you reccord voice off them? or just background bike noises? cheers J

The sounds quality is what we use on our DVDs for sale so it HAS to be good....
There is nothing wrong with the Jaycar kit except you have to make it - but for $7.50, a little solder and about 10 mins work it's done. I tried ALOT of different options (well, researched I should say) and for about 300-500 you can get a similar powered mic unit already made to do the same job....

Oh sorry I lie - you also need a LAPELL MIC - about $30. This will plug straight into your little powered mic which is then run by the same large battery the lippy runs off....the system is TINY and SO MUCH SMALLER than gaffing a farking huge camera to your tank - let alone the fact a camera taped to the tank ALWAYS gets in the way of ya riding AND it's very limiting - where else are you willing to tape a $1000 + digi cam to ya bike?! Not many places I bet - where as this system the camera is tucked away never to be seen - if you do happen to crash you MIGHT lose the 200-300 lippy cam but nothing else...

Again, sounds quality is awesome from this - just keep it outta the wind. Most of the time with editing our vids we're mixing like a 70music/30bike noise so it's not a huge prob if a little bit of wind noise....

[seraph]

thanks mate! appreciate the advice, now to hit jaycar LOL -J.

[j-rad]

and a SOLDERING IRON :ayyy:

hehehe....

seriously - for $7.50 ya can't go wrong and it's easy as. Took all of 15mins to make the PCB board up and then I just found a small metal box (remember those first generation computer switches?! Like the small grey box with an A + B switch - yeha well I gutted one of those and mounted the PCB board for the mic + battery in there - again from Jaycar, I bought the RCA inputs plus things like a mics sized input + power supply recharging plug into the chassis so to use the gear I never have to undo the box - just plug it in and away you go......

I HAVE PUT A REMINDER IN MY PHONE TO TAKE SOME PICS OF IT THIS EVENING AND I WILL TRY POST EM UP TOMORROW - STAY TUNED....

might have to take a pic of my 100W Marshall Stack aswell just to show off....

[swabio]

Cheers for the tips J-Rad...... I will be back in Canberra in late Nov / Early Dec... and will be sorting out my track bike, hopefully getting the multi-cam setup happening soon thereafter.... if all goes to plan prior to 16/12 @ WP!

[Kimbo]

If you want to see how the Oregon Scientific cameras are,check out my link
in tarmacs welcoming . Tarmac also sells them.

[muzz]

yip thats the sort i got
muz

[Kimbo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymKlN0UqOUA
This is a longer link from EC 30/09. I think there are a few RATS in the vision

[Marcus]

have you played with it to get less buffeting from the wind?

[Kimbo]

I know people put some foam around the microphone to quieten it down a bit. It seems to help

[gsx10]

Hey Gixernut. They do a good job. They are easy to mount with the attatchments that come with them. They are pretty tough as well. The good thing is they are cheap . I run with a 2gb card that gives you an hour of recording.I mounted mine in the fairing . Also mounted it on my ski helmut

I just got one of these ATC2k camera's as well but can't work out a good spot to mount it. How did you mount your camera? Anyone else work out a good way to mount the ATC2K?

[muzz]

i made up a alloy bracket that bolts onto the tank cap mounting bolts you will need longer bolts tho
you can get the same sorta mounts off e bay but i hate to spend $$ on something i can make

[spanky158]

Gixernut, maybe you could craft some for the RATS boys and sell them on here! I would buy one from you for sure.

[Kimbo]

I just cut a hole in the fairing , and drilled some holes and mounted the camera on some foam. I used cable ties to hold the mount on the fairing. Mine is in the fairing with a small discreet hole . I didn't want it on the tank just in case of a fall .I didn't want any damage to the camera or me

[muzz]

Gixernut, maybe you could craft some for the RATS boys and sell them on here! I would buy one from you for sure.

i could do that i spose .......must go and "find" some more ally sheet at work

muz