SBK testing Phillip island

[_chado77]

Sunday, 21 February 2010 09:05



1 7 Checa C. (ESP) Ducati 1098R 1'31.959
2 84 Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'32.349
3 91 Haslam L. (GBR) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'32.484
4 41 Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 1'32.518
5 65 Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 1'32.544
6 67 Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 1'32.671
7 76 Neukirchner M. (GER) Honda CBR1000RR 1'32.735
8 3 Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1'32.832
9 96 Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 1'32.912
10 57 Lanzi L. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 1'32.979
11 52 Toseland J. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1'33.135
12 50 Guintoli S. (FRA) Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'33.190
13 66 Sykes T. (GBR) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'33.222
14 11 Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1'33.299
15 35 Crutchlow C. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 1'33.444
16 111 Xaus R. (ESP) BMW S1000 RR 1'33.498
17 77 Vermeulen C. (AUS) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'33.648
18 88 Pitt A. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 1'33.699
19 25 Brookes J. (AUS) Honda CBR1000RR 1'33.710
20 2 Camier L. (GBR) Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1'33.852
21 123 Resch R. (AUT) BMW S1000 RR 1'34.361
22 31 Iannuzzo V. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 1'35.260
23 15 Baiocco M. (ITA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'36.087
24 95 Hayden R. (USA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'36.155

[*Oggy*]

Gonna be an interesting season...... So is this the last day of practise before the season starts !!

[_chado77]

just stole it from anothr forum..

looks like a tough year for the aussie.. 14th:eek:

[SIX36]

Suprised to see Rodger in last on the ZX10R, doesn't say much for the AMA competion.

[Bigdog]

It's only early but Vermuelen is doing well on the kwakka, looks like he made the right choice by going there lol

[Naked Twin]

It's only early but Vermuelen is doing well on the kwakka, looks like he made the right choice by going there lol

That is so unkind yet so true

Nick

[zRoYz]

Don't ride off the Kawasaki yet, it's been awhile since they have had a rider with good knowledge on feed back for development & Vermuelen stated 2010 is a development year. Kawasaki is pooling all there efforts into WSBK with no other racing support & he is starting the year with a bike that didn't do shit 2009. I for one have faith Kawasaki will finally sort out all the small problems that makes a bike a winner. I would be happier if they were using Ohlins like nearly every other team but showa will also be going all out to make there components work, bot boy in motogp still uses showa so it's not like they don't have the development back ground.

[Naked Twin]

Roy, is Vermuelen the type that can develop a bike though? I really don't know if his is capable or not. When he was previously in SBK he was a on a proven product so to speak, not something that requires a ground up approach, essentially a start from scratch. I wish him luck I think he will need it.

Nick

[Thunderace]

Don't ride off the Kawasaki yet, it's been awhile since they have had a rider with good knowledge on feed back for development & Vermuelen stated 2010 is a development year. Kawasaki is pooling all there efforts into WSBK with no other racing support & he is starting the year with a bike that didn't do shit 2009. I for one have faith Kawasaki will finally sort out all the small problems that makes a bike a winner. I would be happier if they were using Ohlins like nearly every other team but showa will also be going all out to make there components work, bot boy in motogp still uses showa so it's not like they don't have the development back ground.

Bot boy has now changed to Ohlin's as well !!!

[zRoYz]

Roy, is Vermuelen the type that can develop a bike though? I really don't know if his is capable or not. When he was previously in SBK he was a on a proven product so to speak, not something that requires a ground up approach, essentially a start from scratch. I wish him luck I think he will need it.

Nick

I would hope so after his years with Suzuki motogp as that bike was always on the back foot so he spent allot of time testing new components & reading some of his comments about the ZX10 & things they need to work on sounds promising.


Bot boy has now changed to Ohlin's as well !!!

He is now because the team changed sometime last season but bot boy kept using the showa stuff when his team mate was using Ohlins, hopefully showa will be making a major effort for Kawasaki to prove there worth in the market place.

It's all speculation we all can only have views from what info we read the real proof will be when the season starts & the performance of the ZX10 as the season progresses. I'm hoping it starts to kick butt because the more manufactures with race winning bikes the better the spectacle.

[Kat00]

Yep, I'm not getting off him, Kawasaki will reign supreme eventually and I reckon with CV as their pilot it is going to hapen sooner rather than latter.

[stetto]

I'd love to see CV go well, but Sykes is quicker on the same bike, Spies had no trouble smashing Sykes last year, hopefully things improve

[Naked Twin]

Yep, I'm not getting off him, Kawasaki will reign supreme eventually and I reckon with CV as their pilot it is going to hapen sooner rather than latter.

I hope your right, want to see an aussie fighting it out at the front. But being a betting man you can't beat a dead horse across the line (little reference to your avatar)

Nick

[1notop]

Roy, is Vermuelen the type that can develop a bike though? I really don't know if his is capable or not. When he was previously in SBK he was a on a proven product so to speak, not something that requires a ground up approach, essentially a start from scratch. I wish him luck I think he will need it.

Nick

He was the guy that Tan Kate picked when they started in superbikes
Chris took the Honda from scratch
started to get the thing going well
and then had to develop it and himself to suit the switch to Pirelli control tyres

Through 2004-2005 he went from consistently mid-pack to a front runner,winning a bunch of the final races of the 2005 season(5 wins, a 2nd and a crash in the last 7 races)
then moved on to Suzuki's Moto-guppy,
handing Toseland a well sorted bike for the next year
which even James :p
managed to ride to a win at the 1st race of 2006
and finished up 2nd in the championship on.(Bayliss won)

[1notop]

Supersports testing times list (top 17 times) on mcnews has no suzukis or yamahas! did I miss something?

[spotcom]

Same question on the suberbikes - where's the R1 this year? Way down the pecking order.

*sigh* Still haven't got around to getting foxtel. May go for one of Telstra's bundled internet/foxtel packages.

I suppose this is not getting televised on FTA, even though it's in our backyard so as to speak?

[Captain]

Some shots from Phillip Island ... I was tempted to post them in our PI (April) thread :ayyy:

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/superbike-2010-test-phillip-island-febbraio/big_chris_vermeulen_test_2.jpg

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/superbike-2010-test-phillip-island-febbraio/big_1fabrizio_haga_06.jpg

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/superbike-2010-test-phillip-island-febbraio/big_3James_Toseland_Test_02.jpg

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/superbike-2010-test-phillip-island-febbraio/big_8Leon_Camier_Test_01.jpg

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/superbike-2010-test-phillip-island-febbraio/big_Andrew_Pitt_Test_01.jpg

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/superbike-2010-test-phillip-island-febbraio/big_Roland_Resch_Test_3.jpg

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/superbike-2010-test-phillip-island-febbraio/big_7checa_byrne_test_1.jpg

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/superbike-2010-test-phillip-island-febbraio/big_fabrizio_haga_07.jpg

[WET4URacing]

go the green machine. there is a reason why its at the top

[Captain]

Yea, I'm also biased :):):)

[1down5up]

go the green machine. there is a reason why its at the top
top of a list of pics....... not the time sheets and in wsbk thats what counts ...... sorry wet

[Captain]

Some footage from the italian TV show "Superbike TV". Sorry about the lingo again, the footage is worth it.
In brief, Ducati is kicking arse, with 5 bikes in the top 6 spots, Rae on the Honda in 5th spot, Suzuki 7th Aprilia in 8th and 9th. Yamaha seem to have lost the plot, they say that the 2010 R1 is just not working. BMW is not doing great either, and trailing the pack (as usual) is Kawasaki.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugx6HMV3cIE&feature=player_embedded

[ottospunkmeister]

Some footage from the italian TV show "Superbike TV". Sorry about the lingo again, the footage is worth it.
In brief, Ducati is kicking arse, with 5 bikes in the top 6 spots, Rae on the Honda in 5th spot, Suzuki 7th Aprilia in 8th and 9th. Yamaha seem to have lost the plot, they say that the 2010 R1 is just not working. BMW is not doing great either, and trailing the pack (as usual) is Kawasaki.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugx6HMV3cIE&feature=player_embedded

If that continues for a while then the organisers have to invoke a handicap rule for the Ducatis. This was written in to the regs to get all the 4 cylinder manufacturers to agree to let twins be 1200cc. I can't recall the exact way it works, someone who knows better help me out here.

[Captain]

The Ducatis need an extra 200cc, that's what's happening. Anyhwere else it would be called 'cheating'.

IMO, there should be a fuel limit ... so that the bike would have a limited energy input. How they then choose to use that energy (1 piston or 20) is up to them.

[WET4URacing]

The Ducatis need an extra 200cc, that's what's happening. Anyhwere else it would be called 'cheating'.

IMO, there should be a fuel limit ... so that the bike would have a limited energy input. How they then choose to use that energy (1 piston or 20) is up to them.

wat u bin smokin?

[Captain]

Tyre life the key to success:


Ahead of the opening round of the World Superbike championship at Phillip Island all the talk in the paddock is revolving around tyre choice for Sunday’s two 22 lap races.

The Phillip Island circuit is notoriously hard on tyres due to it being made up predominantly of long, fast left hand corners.

It seems that teams are faced with two choices when it comes to selcting a rear tyre for the race.

The first choice is Pirelli’s benchmark 190mm width race tyre which is capable of delivering impressive lap times but it remains unclear if it is capable of doing a full race distance.

The second choice is a new 200mm rear tyre which has good endurance but lacks the outright performance on the 190mm spec race tyre.

Nearly all the teams are trying to find a way to be able to use the 190mm tyre and have spent the two days working on suspension, electronics and traction control strategies to improve its durability.

What everyone is trying to avoid is a repeat of 2006 when Troy Bayliss stormed a way at the start of the first race to lead by over five seconds only to suffer acute tyre problems and slump to 6th place, 17 seconds behind the winner at the finish.

Another factor in the equation is the weather as track temperature will also play a part in ultimate tyre life.

There is also a local weather forecast that predicts a 75% chance of rain on Sunday, which could throw the entire race weekend and strategies on its head.

[mrkotter]

wat u bin smokin?

nah I like the fuel limit idea for both WSBK and GP. Maybe more so for GP. If you only have a certain amount of fuel (or energy) then displacement and number of cyclinders become less important. What becomes important is what the most efficient number of cyclinders and displacement is. I guess it would bring innovation and "prototype" back into GP where now the rules limit the capacity and amount of fuel and it appears in 2012 also the bore and number of cylinders.

I guess a fuel limit would also create a parity for other fuel sources. This would allow electric bikes to compete with the same amount of energy as their petrol counterparts.

Will this sort of idea ever be implemented? Not a chance. Interesting? maybe.

[SIX36]

Live timing - first session of free practice for all us stuck at work and not at PI starts in 15mins!!
http://www.worldsbk.com/en/home.html

[Captain]

Thank Mr Kotter, that's what I was thinking; output per unit of input ... how they get there is their business. Not only does it cover performance (speed) but also best use of resources (fuel).
What I don't like is the idea of riders running out of fuel on the last lap.

Incidentally this is nothing new, smarter people than me (and definetly than wetty :lmao:) have tried it, it was used in F1 for quite a while. Again, this 'running out of fuel' thing ruined it. So it's not really practical, not until it's implemented in a better way, but the concept and theory is good.

[Mr.Ed]

I didn't see that coming... let alone Ducati, I guess!


Pos # Rider Nat Bike Last Lap Best Lap Gap Laps
1 91 Haslam L GBR Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'33.493 1'32.468 24
2 3 Biaggi M ITA Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1'33.008 0.540 27
3 67 Byrne S GBR Ducati 1098R 1'33.121 0.653 16
4 65 Rea J GBR Honda CBR1000RR 1'33.149 0.681 26
5 7 Checa C ESP Ducati 1098R 1'33.218 0.750 22
6 35 Crutchlow C GBR Yamaha YZF R1 1'33.249 0.781 23
7 41 Haga N JPN Ducati 1098R 1'33.259 0.791 21
8 52 Toseland J GBR Yamaha YZF R1 1'33.264 0.796 25
9 96 Smrz J CZE Ducati 1098R 1'33.360 0.892 21
10 50 Guintoli S FRA Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'33.363 0.895 22
11 84 Fabrizio M ITA Ducati 1098R 1'33.413 0.945 19
12 57 Lanzi L ITA Ducati 1098R 1'33.449 0.981 22
13 111 Xaus R ESP BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 1'33.692 1.224 6
14 77 Vermeulen C AUS Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'34.247 1'33.775 1.307 23
15 2 Camier L GBR Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 1'33.804 1.336 26
16 66 Sykes T GBR Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'34.145 1'33.974 1.506 20
17 11 Corser T AUS BMW S1000 RR 1'34.008 1.540 17
18 76 Neukirchner M GER Honda CBR1000RR 1'34.121 1.653 19
19 88 Pitt A AUS BMW S1000 RR 1'34.433 1.965 23
20 25 Brookes J AUS Honda CBR1000RR 1'34.440 1.972 20
21 123 Resch R AUT BMW S1000 RR 1'34.914 2.446 16
22 31 Iannuzzo V ITA Honda CBR1000RR 1'35.844 3.376 14
23 15 Baiocco M ITA Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'36.084 1'36.084 3.616 23
24 95 Hayden R USA Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'59.557 1'36.287 3.819 22

[SIX36]

WSS...
Kwaka should swap riders in WSBK and WSS

1 37 Fujiwara K JPN Kawasaki ZX-6R PIT IN 1'35.260 10
2 26 Lascorz J ESP Kawasaki ZX-6R PIT IN 1'35.371 0.111 11
3 54 Sofuoglu K TUR Honda CBR600RR PIT IN 1'35.530 0.270 16
4 50 Laverty E IRL Honda CBR600RR 1'35.933 1'35.586 0.326 20
5 51 Pirro M ITA Honda CBR600RR 1'35.847 0.587 17
6 99 Foret F FRA Kawasaki ZX-6R 1'35.872 0.612 15
7 40 DiSalvo J USA Triumph Daytona 675 1'36.634 1'36.341 1.081 19
8 7 Davies C GBR Triumph Daytona 675 1'36.422 1.162 19
9 55 Roccoli M ITA Honda CBR600RR 1'36.715 1.455 15
10 117 Praia M POR Honda CBR600RR 1'37.752 1'37.117 1.857 19
11 16 Charpentier S FRA Triumph Daytona 675 1'38.078 1'37.244 1.984 17
12 127 Harms R DEN Honda CBR600RR 1'38.151 1'37.504 2.244 16
13 9 Dell'Omo D ITA Honda CBR600RR 1'38.368 1'38.368 3.108 15
14 5 Lundh A SWE Honda CBR600RR 1'38.397 3.137 19
15 4 Rea G GBR Honda CBR600RR PIT IN 1'38.597 3.337 22
16 33 Cazzola P ITA Honda CBR600RR 1'40.069 1'39.879 4.619 18

[Kris]

So is the race being played on what station/what time?

Ugh 11.30am, Foxtel :( wish i had fox

[SIX36]

I thought ONE HD would have but not according to there online TV guide which is BS....

Fox it is then...

[zRoYz]

WSS...
Kwaka should swap riders in WSBK and WSS


Na it's just the ZX-6R is a great bike & can run with all the other 600 at the front, the ZX-10R at the moment isn't at the same level.

Also the RSV4 has some real hp:
Biaggi just cracked out the best ever Superbike speed at Phillip Island, 318.9km/h on the Aprilia.

[Kris]

I thought ONE HD would have but not according to there online TV guide which is BS....

Fox it is then...

Yeah, total BS. :( guess ill go sink a few beers at the local pub and watch it....anyone wanna come on Sunday?

[nutsa]

Any ideas what pubs would be showing it live? Im just around the corner in dulwich hill and could be keen!

[stetto]

Its racing season again, don't ya love it

[LAW]

Its racing season again, don't ya love it
:popcorn::beer::beer:holyshit
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
It sucks not having it on OneHD, and I'm the only one in hte house who watches racing so I have to download it and watch it on monday after everyone at work says "Hey did you see the race yesterday?!?! AWESOME!! Especially when ******** won it at the last minute" :mad:

[Captain]

QP1 Results:

1 Checa Carlos Althea Racing Ducati Ducati 1098R 23 1′32.155
2 Fabrizio Michel Ducati Xerox Team Ducati Ducati 1098R 22 1′32.162
3 Haslam Leon Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 24 1′32.373
4 Byrne Shane Althea Racing Ducati Ducati 1098R 25 1′32.635
5 Haga Noriyuki Ducati Xerox Team Ducati Ducati 1098R 25 1′32.703
6 Biaggi Max Aprilia Alitalia Racing Aprilia Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 25 1′32.850
7 Rea Jonathan HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda Honda CBR1000RR 29 1′32.884
8 Guintoli Sylvain Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 24 1′32.902
9 Smrz Jakub Team PATA B&G Racing Ducati Ducati 1098R 18 1′32.905
10 Crutchlow Cal Yamaha Sterilgarda Team Yamaha Yamaha YZF R1 23 1′33.038
11 Camier Leon Aprilia Alitalia Racing Aprilia Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. 27 1′33.296
12 Vermeulen Chris Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX 10R 24 1′33.389
13 Toseland James Yamaha Sterilgarda Team Yamaha Yamaha YZF R1 12 1′33.422
14 Lanzi Lorenzo DFX Corse Ducati Ducati 1098R 12 1′33.454
15 Sykes Tom Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX 10R 23 1′33.492
16 Corser Troy BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW BMW S1000 RR 17 1′33.512
17 Pitt Andrew Team Reitwagen BMW BMW BMW S1000 RR 21 1′33.940
18 Neukirchner Max HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda Honda CBR1000RR 20 1′33.960
19 Xaus Ruben BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW BMW S1000 RR 4 1′33.984
20 Resch Roland Team Reitwagen BMW BMW BMW S1000 RR 13 1′34.065
21 Iannuzzo Vittorio S.C.I. Honda Garvie Image Honda Honda CBR1000RR 19 1′34.417
22 Brookes Joshua ECHO CRS Honda Honda Honda CBR1000RR 24 1′34.663
23 Baiocco Matteo Team Pedercini Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX 10R 25 1′35.892
24 Hayden Roger Lee Team Pedercini Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX 10R 24 1′36.113


17 Pitt Andrew Team Reitwagen BMW BMW BMW S1000 RR 21 1′33.940
Pitt did a 1:36 at EC in very hot weather, on a standard S1000RR with road tyres. What gives?

[SIX36]

Maybe the difference from a stock BMW to the WSBK version isn't that much different... what would be a avg time gain from good rd tyres to slicks?

[SIX36]

Chris is creeping up the ladder... for 8th so far.
1 7 Checa C ESP Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'32.155 45
2 84 Fabrizio M ITA Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'32.162 0.007 39
3 91 Haslam L GBR Suzuki GSX-R1000 PIT IN 1'32.373 0.218 41
4 35 Crutchlow C GBR Yamaha YZF R1 PIT IN 1'32.446 0.291 45
5 50 Guintoli S FRA Suzuki GSX-R1000 PIT IN 1'32.448 0.293 47
6 52 Toseland J GBR Yamaha YZF R1 PIT IN 1'32.455 0.300 25
7 65 Rea J GBR Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'32.460 0.305 52
8 77 Vermeulen C AUS Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 1'32.500 0.345 45
9 2 Camier L GBR Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. PIT IN 1'32.548 0.393 44
10 96 Smrz J CZE Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'32.571 0.416 38
11 57 Lanzi L ITA Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'32.620 0.465 34
12 67 Byrne S GBR Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'32.635 0.480 47
13 11 Corser T AUS BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 1'32.684 0.529 39
14 41 Haga N JPN Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'32.703 0.548 48
15 66 Sykes T GBR Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 1'32.806 0.651 36
16 3 Biaggi M ITA Aprilia RSV4 1000 F. PIT IN 1'32.850 0.695 46
17 76 Neukirchner M GER Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'32.884 0.729 40
18 123 Resch R AUT BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 1'33.390 1.235 24
19 111 Xaus R ESP BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 1'33.396 1.241 23
20 88 Pitt A AUS BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 1'33.396 1.241 44
21 25 Brookes J AUS Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'33.901 1.746 44
22 31 Iannuzzo V ITA Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'34.248 2.093 37
23 15 Baiocco M ITA Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 1'35.297 3.142 48
24 95 Hayden R USA Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 1'35.614 3.459 46