Stamp Duty

[BobbyReamer]

Hi Guys

I bought a demonstrator ZX6R last weekend. The dealer advertised the bike as "Ride Away". I assumed stamp duty was covered under this and that it was paid for by the dealer as its an on road cost.

Turns out stamp duty hasn't been paid and the dealer is telling me that I have to pay it as they can't actually do it for me.

How much am I being bullsh*tted here and any advice on what I should do?

Thanks in advance.

[pan]

Sounds right. That's what you pay the RTA to transfer it over to your name. I don't think the dealer CAN do that.

[Johnnie5]

if the bike is already registered then you have to transfer it into your name at the rta and pay the transfer and stamp duty

[ZXRider]

where did you buy it from?....When you buy a new bike it is included.....

Also demo bikes they usually use a trade plate don't they?....

[Captain]

"ride away" is ride away, no more to pay. I have bought dozens of cars (three this year) and that's what it means, period. The dealer can register it in your name and include the stamp duty, or can transfer it for you (either way you need to provide them with a written authority, and give them your RTA customer number.

Maybe this dealer doesn't do it, maybe they're pulling a fast one ... but 'ride away' to me means you pay no more.

[Johnny]

ex Demo wouldve been registered so is classed as 2nd hand..

Dealer hasnt done you wrong, you never did your homework..

[BobbyReamer]

Got it from Flywheels motorcycles in Alexandria.

I was just under the assumption that they would be doing all the paper work involved for the transfer of registration and cover stamp duty. Appears not.

Just as long as theyre not trying to rip me off here im ok with it. I was expecting to pay stamp duty as all my mates who have bought 2nd hand bikes have had to. But yeah ride away usually covers all on road costs which includes stamp duty. Mustn't be the case with a 2nd hand bike.

[dilbee]

got this off bikesales.com ad from a seller.

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Ride Away No More to Pay - this price includes government costs borne by the consumer, such as stamp duty. On occasion, the provision by a dealer of both an Excludes Government Charges and Ride Away No More to Pay price may result in the Ride Away No More to Pay of a bike being displayed which is over and above the price range you have entered. The reason for this is to enable a consumer to conduct an "apples with apples" comparison with any other Exc Govt. Charges motorbikes or accessories on the website which meet the search criteria they have entered (eg: private seller bikes).

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Dealer BNMIS - stands for Dealer Brand New Motorcycles in Stock. Due to new Clarity in Pricing legislation, some dealers may not be able to give you a price (refer POA explanation below) and will require further information from you in order to provide a price for the motorbike or accessory. They may also be an "Excludes Government Charges" or a "Ride Away No More to Pay" dealer (refer Excl. Govt. Charges and Ride Away No More to Pay explanations above). On occasion, the provision by a dealer of both an Excludes Government Charges and Ride Away No More to Pay price may result in the Ride Away No More to Pay of a bike being displayed which is over and above the price range you have entered. The reason for this is to enable a consumer to conduct an "apples with apples" comparison with any other Excludes Govt. Charges motorbikes or accessories on the website which meet the search criteria they have entered (eg: private seller bikes).

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[Captain]

Mustn't be the case with a 2nd hand bike.
Why? Or are you now resigned to it, and giving up?
If statutory costs aren't included, what does 'ride away' refer to? Are we reinventing the english language now?

[hitcho73]

i just bought a ex demo "ride away" and they payed stamp duty and put 6 months rego on it for me...

[Devilish]

They legally should have said 'Ride-away Excluding government charges' meaning you still have to pay stamp duty. The dealer has obviously not done their job and explained to you that you have bought a bike previously owned and registered in the dealers name and that you have to go to the RTA and swap it into their name.

There's not really anything you can do about it because unfortunately it's a ''he said, she said'' situation which will go nowhere. I have come across this alot with useless salespeople... They should have explained everything.

[seraph]

they are screwing you. I seel bikes for a living, ride away is TOTAL, excluding any extras you nominate AFTER it's discussed... ie, aftermarket pipe. Ride Away includes transfers and stamp duty. Was it a written quote? You were right, they are wrong, and trying to screw you for an extra 3%. J.

[BobbyReamer]

It wasnt a written quote no. The ad was on bike sales as ride away. I went in... Negotiated the price. Agreed to buy it. Paid them the money and assumed I would be getting a bike registered in my name. Rego is only till January.

Heres another question. At the moment I dont have a full licence and cant ride this bike on the road anyway. I was just gonna use it as a track bike until I get my fulls in April next year. So I was gonna let the rego expire and renew it in April. Do I still have to go and get the rego change to my name and pay stamp duty?

Stuff ive read from the RTA says you have 14 days from the time of purchase to put in an application for transfer of registration...

Any views?

[Fezz]

Just get the dealer to cancel the rego.

[tazkenny]

I got fucked on this one also by Sydney City. My demonstrator nearly cost the same as a new bike after the stamp duty - just with 6 months less warranty.

[Birdman45]

It's bullshit, ride away means exactly that. The dealer (if he has a motor dealers lic) can and should register it in your name and to do that, they'd need to pay the stamp duty etc when they do it. If it said ride away, it's ride away. Fuk, when I had my shop, if I said "I cold do it for the same price and throw in the helmet, or do it for this price" they'd say "you said you would do it for the cheaper price with the helmet" and wouldn't fukin let up til I either told them to fuk off or caved (maybe why I don't sell bikes anymore. haha, you can tell which way I leant towards) and made my life hell for months. You get told "ride away" then pay stamp duty sand don't seem too bothered. LOL Some people get all the luck. Hahaha

[Captain]

I went to that place; They fitted wrong size tyres on my bike, fitted brake lines that rubbed and almost rubbed through, and broke my fairing to boot. Ask around for others' experiences.

[MATTK6]

just my understanding here, but when a demo is bought it is already registered, and a dealer can NOT register a used bike into the buyers name, a dealer can only register a NEW bike into an owners name, and when you buy a demo, you have to go to the RTA and pay the transfer (stamo duty) which is 3% of the purchase price plus and from memory a $26 fee to the RTA.

[Captain]

I bought a car that was registered in the dealer's name (their service manager drove it) and they managed alright. Don't see why it should be any different for a bike.

[laidback]

I'd be chasing them for the transfer if it was advertised as "ride away...". Even if you let the rego go then you still have to pay stamp duty when you re-register it as it has not been registered in your name.

They can still easily pay this...give you a cheque made out to the RTA or reimburse you for the transfer.

If you transfer to your name now then the refund for unused rego will go to you but if you don't transfer then the refund will go to the registered owner.

Just take a copy of the ad if you can get it and the wording of what "ride away" means to the dealer. If they have stuffed up that's their problem. IF they dont come to the party then go to Consumer Affairs. Don't get screwed over.

[Devilish]

just my understanding here, but when a demo is bought it is already registered, and a dealer can NOT register a used bike into the buyers name, a dealer can only register a NEW bike into an owners name, and when you buy a demo, you have to go to the RTA and pay the transfer (stamo duty) which is 3% of the purchase price plus and from memory a $26 fee to the RTA.

As long as you've got the customers name on a 'Transfer rego form' a dealer can do it for you. All they need is 2 signatures and a copy of your license

rstreamer, you can put it in your name aslong as you have a license for any motr vehicle, your just not allowed to ride it.

Whether you transfer it now or when you get your full license, they will ask you to pay stamp duty.

[mrkotter]

Heres another question. At the moment I dont have a full licence and cant ride this bike on the road anyway. I was just gonna use it as a track bike until I get my fulls in April next year. So I was gonna let the rego expire and renew it in April. Do I still have to go and get the rego change to my name and pay stamp duty?

Stuff ive read from the RTA says you have 14 days from the time of purchase to put in an application for transfer of registration...

Any views?


I've registered a bike I could not legally ride when I had my P's. I didn't ride it until I got my fulls. The RTA lady didn't say anything.

You will have to pay stamp duty no matter what. If you leave it after the 14 days they charge you more.