Speed Kills. (Except when it doesn't!)

[spotcom]

Most of us agree that 100kmh state-wide limits are a crock. Cars are safer than they've ever been, tyres are grippier, roads are in better condition, road fatalities have been decreasing on an annual basis for the past forty years or so, yet speed limits haven't budged (except when they go down). :storm:

Here's a story about one state in the USA that decided to put speed limits UP, and measure the difference in accidents or fatalities. Guess what? NO CHANGE!

Can we vote these guys in? :drivingsmiley:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/29/2941.asp

[SIX36]

The only issue especially in NSW is road conditions, too many of our roads are well past their used by date...

[Apoc585]

The only issue especially in NSW is road conditions, too many of our roads are well past their used by date...
u got that right... im in the mountains and the roads are gettin narrower. semi's come along here every day and the lanes are only just wide enough now, and they're gettin smaller the more they wear away.

I like this bit "That is how people think about speed limits. Ignore what they don't want to believe, panic over what they do want to believe"


Also is it just me or does that night speed limit say 65?

[Naked Twin]

The increasing speed limits is not a simple matter of saying the F3 is good enough for 150km/h or the M7 should be 140km/h etc. The real issue is the people who drive on the roads are not capable or rather have not been brought up with a higher speed limit thus why increases will be hard to do, the other issue is we don't like speed limit changes on the same road, well the media and NRMA says it is not good. To make it work you would need to adjust the speed limit according to the road, take the F3 on parts 130km/h limit would not be a problem in other parts like the hill after the Hawkesbury they had to lower the speed due to the accidents that were happening on the bends, but how many really slow down?

As they did with this test they only increased it by a relatively small amount (6.6%) on sections of rural roads. If you were to do it you would have to do it in small increments over a generation to allow for the older who are used to 100km/h to filter out of the system and the new who would become accustomed to the higher speed limits filter in, even then you would only get a 30km/h increase on major roads.

The other issue here is the research data given is very limited, firstly it has only been 12 months on a rural road which would suggest not a high traffic road. In the 12 months this has been trialled it falls into a recession which will skew the data as people without work or concerned about their job tend to save money in case they do lose their job.

Good to see that at least someone is looking into facts rather then hysteria.

Nick

[Birdman45]

But you can argue the same for people that live and spend most of their time in the city..... doing 50-80km/hr all day every day....... they decide one weekend to go to Canberra and 110 seems like warp factor 9. Anyone that is used to doing 110 on freeways etc would have NO problem doing 130 regardless of the generation. It's only the people that think Liverpool is way too far away from anywhere coz it isn't a 2min drive within the city that will have the problem, the same as they do now anyway.

What they need is speed like on the toll roads etc where they vary. I would think that the F3 section you speak of would be very dangerous in the rain doing 110k's through, but fukwits do it, have no idea how to drive their car to a higher degree than being able to reverse park it and not hit anything. If there was a variable speed limit through there that in the dry had 110 and in the wet or dark etc, 90, I rekon you'd have the same effect.

What shits me about speeds over here is the rediculous amount of times it will change and for fuk all reason. I had to drive out to Lithgow the other night, and between the M7 and Lithgow, you were changing speeds every fukin 2min. 70 zone for 1km, then 50, then 80, then 100, then 70 again, FUK.......... I spet the whole time watching the dash board so I wouldn't get booked, coz there's 11ty cameras out that way too and even more unmarked cars, saw 3 that day, and 5 when I went out camping a month ago, on a week day, fine and sunny. Yeah THAT's safe.... making it a steady 80 the whole way isn't, coz you really should be doing 70 in this spot and 60 in that, then even when you pass one speed sign and see another up ahead that is 20km/hr more, WTF????

[Birdman45]

People only think what they have been told to think for the most part. Globally, speed has been made to be an evil thing, not hard to work out the typical response to something like that. Doesn't measn it isn't a good idea though and I rekon if the govt's of this world would have the balls to do what was best for the country/world and not just what they think will get them elected, the world would be a better place. But that's me.

[Naked Twin]

Trust me Trev, if we raised the limits where practical to 150km/h you would have carnage, ever wonder why some people are only doing 90 km/h on the freeway. Same people who are only used to going max 80 km/h and are looking for someone doing 110km/h.

I would like to see the limits increased but we need training and support to back it up. Both unlikely to happen.

Nick

[Underground]

I'd like to see them jack the speed limit up to 250km'h in China - I for one know they'd handle it quite well.

[PlatinumGrit]

Trust me Trev, if we raised the limits where practical to 150km/h you would have carnage, ever wonder why some people are only doing 90 km/h on the freeway. Same people who are only used to going max 80 km/h and are looking for someone doing 110km/h.

I would like to see the limits increased but we need training and support to back it up. Both unlikely to happen.

Nick

I'd like to see a system for our freeways like in Germany when I was there - the inside lane is the fastest, progressively slowing down towards the outside. You could get booked for going too slow on the autobahn in the fast lanes. I'd like to see people booked for going too slow on our freeways. How often do you see people in a 110 zone sitting in the right lane vascillating between 90-100? It gives everyone behind them the sh*ts, and is dangerous because it creates unnecessary risk taking.

For those who want to go slow, let them stay to the left. For those who can do 130 / 140, let them drive in the right lane.

As for training and support, well, that's easy - a TV campaign that goes if ya can't f*cking do 130/140 in the right lane, f*ck off into the left one or get fined.

simple ;)

[Underground]

simple ;)

Next time you're in traffic, just take a brief glance around you at the drivers in their cars.

Not so simple now, eh?
We're a population of road users who require laws to be dumbed down, speeds to be increasingly restricted, and big flashing signs to tell us not to run over people in school areas.

[rhojef]

I don't think its just speed we need to look at, its more of an attitude issue. I like going as fast as i can on the bike within reason and in the right area.
In the car i just prefer to cruise and get wherever, when i get there.
Most of the people doing warp speed or cutting everyone up in traffic are only in a hurry to get somewhere so they can sit on their arses and do nothing anyway.
Until more commonsense is instilled in the population generally (it'll never happen) we will continue to see harsher and sillier laws being introduced.
The government could not handle the backlash if they increased the speed limit to
130kmh and the road toll went up.
Would the families of the victims blame the victims or the government ?.
The other issue is the amount of revenue that would be flowing into our inept cash strapped NSW government. It would cost them millions a year.

[Underground]

commonsense.


Uhoh...

[Apoc585]

I think we could have day/rain/night speed limits.
for ex. just after the brooklyn bridge goin up the F3 is 100-day, 90-when raining.
they could make it 120 or so for most of the F3 esp once the road works are finished and its 3 lanes (in decent condition) most of the way, but make it 100 in the rain or at night wen visibility is not so good. I think it could work, but as said above, with the lack-of-commonsense that exists, it'll never happen.

[Captain]

The problem still remains; that bit of road (after the Brooklyn Bridge) could easily be 130 in the dry, 110 in the wet. What do they think we drive, Kingswoods?

[lilninja]

The problem still remains; that bit of road (after the Brooklyn Bridge) could easily be 130 in the dry, 110 in the wet. What do they think we drive, Kingswoods?

some people still do.

[Linden]

Italian parliament is debating a law to increase the speed limit on some highways from 130 to 150. I spoke to someone last week, they're actually shocked at the proposal, to them it shows a government totally out of touch ... "how could they do such an irresponsible thing?"
Who would have thought?

I lived in Italy in the late 90's and find that hard to believe ... this is the country where when
- seat belts became compulsory the biggest selling item at the markets was T-shirts with diagonal black strips on them.
- speed cameras came in the instance of speeding grannies went up 1000%
- 200+km/h is not uncommon on 130km/h motorways
- the national past time is avoiding Tax or any other government stuff

Linden

[LAW]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/16207/544947-common_sense_super.jpg

[Stu23]

I find limits here low, am more used to 130 +

Stu

[Johnny]

I'd like to jump up and say, yeah fuck yeah raise the limits, but deep down inside I'd still know that some poeple just couldnt handle it, and is why the limits are at where there at, for them numpties who shouldnt be on the rd for starters.
So unless they are taught how to bloody cope with it (compulsary training ? mmm), or taken off the rd completely, then we have to live with the inadequate system, as we already do.

[The Outsider]

had a close look at the speed limits on the m4 recently?

west bound- starts at 60 off parramatta rd then to 70 then to 90 then to 100 past the speed camera then 110 i believe on the way out to the mountains (been a while since i have been out that way, feel free to correct me)

city bound same but in reverse.

thats a total of 5 speed changes for the same bit of road?!

my suggestion is get rid of all of them and make it all 110 except for maybe the toll gates drop to 70 as it seems most idiots cant seem to work that area of the m4 on a daily basis.

[Underground]

I find limits here low, am more used to 130 +

Stu


Me too, I find road travel monotonous, I am used to travelling to celestial locations using The Force.

[Marshy]

west bound- starts at 60 off parramatta rd then to 70 then to 90 then to 100 past the speed camera then 110 i believe on the way out to the mountains (been a while since i have been out that way, feel free to correct me)

You forgot the back down to 70 for the tollbooths bit.... So it goes, 60, 70, 90, 70, 90, 100, 110. Daft.

[Underground]

Back when the world was a more innocent place, and people thought for a Job, common sense was frowned upon in favour of a can do attitude.

I give you, exhibit A)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIlKxaEIFDk

[The Outsider]

Back when the world was a more innocent place, and people thought for a Job, common sense was frowned upon in favour of a can do attitude.

I give you, exhibit A)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIlKxaEIFDk


thats gold :lmao:

and exhibit b?

[Underground]

thats gold :lmao:

and exhibit b?

Well, along similar lines - contains much less Whale though. Anvil shooting was an American tradition once a year back when each town had a Blacksmith, nowadays its used as a castration tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9isw0fKXAE

[Captain]

You know Underground, if you put your brain to good use you could really go places :lmao:


:ayyy:

(Those videos are too funny :lmao: Any more?)

[motoplast]

Speed doesn't kill, inexperienced (dickhead) drivers/riders do!
Ban Low performance drivers/riders not Hi performance cars/bikes.

Cheers,

Tex & Bundy

[Underground]

You know Underground, if you put your brain to good use you could really go places :lmao:


:ayyy:

(Those videos are too funny :lmao: Any more?)

My mother once said the very same thing...

Plenty more clips, however I feel those two videos encapsulate common sense and it's application in daily life.

Just because you can do something, doesnt mean you should.

[Apoc585]

is this where i should quote...

"speeding's never killed anybody. Suddenly coming to a stop... now thats what gets ya"

[Johnny]

You know Underground, if you put your brain to good use you could really go places :lmao:


:ayyy:

(Those videos are too funny :lmao: Any more?)
Thank god he chose not too :dohsmiley::lmao:

[Underground]

Thank god he chose not too :dohsmiley::lmao:

http://a5.vox.com/6a00c22527121e549d00d09e837ce5be2b-500pi

[MarkyGG]

common sense & education go some way to changing attitudes to the way we all drive on the road but unfortunately while the mighty datsun 120y & cars of its vintage are on our roads speed will never go up. can you imagine some poor sighted deaf granny in her faithful 120y shimmying down the road @ 130kph ( hard to believe but true ) while it might go 130kph it probably takes that same distance to stop. there are that many shit boxes on the road that some how pass rego ( probably through some uncle jimmy's back door work shop ) that i woudn't feel safe on the road with these ' classics ' doing 130. i would rather the limit be as is now only a more uniformed limit say 50 in the city 80 on major city roads 110 on freeways. only other limits would be some sort of limit during peak hour just because of the volume of cars on the road at those times. anything above those limits i'll take an educated approach to where & when i might go over these limits. vote markygg for government :lmao::lmao:

[wudka]

I love speed discussions :)

recently was in Europe, in Spain and Portugal, where in a 1.2 Polo I travelled over 2000kms. I can say first hand, that if that shitbox can get to 180ish, and piece of shit geminis can safely sit on 150 on a highway etc... the only problem is the driver and woner of any car.

This idea introduced here that beyond 110 is a fatal zone, is rediculous. Period.

The simple fact that most of us agree that too many couldnt handle a higher speed limit only makes me look at the issue of handing out license to these people!

Its that simple to me. I dont care what time of year, go on any 2 or 3 lane road, and get 50 cars to travel in some form of a group, then have them attempt to merge... and wholllaaa, you have a fking traffic jam.

The same goes for these fuktards attempting a lane change etc.

In those 2500ish kms in Euro, I found that 95% of people, who were driving well over the limit, would still be aware of what was coming up behind them.

When there was slow traffic, they would indicate with hazards to make those behind aware of the problem... etc... a very different approach to traffic.

And guess what? I saw one il fated car, and it had overheated and caught on fire... otherwise, not single crash, not a single HWP!

The politicians here have got a lot to learn...

The first thing I would do, is make everyone who passes judgement on laws regarding driving, safety etc, travel on their own, in rental cars across europe... nd if they panic, get caught out, crash etc... revoke their political licenses, their driving licenses, and put them through the more vigourous system that is in place over there...

Might be a start.

Rant over :):)

[rhojef]

There was a picture in the Telegraph yesterday of what looked like a gazillion budgies all in the one flock.
how come they can fly at whatever speed, chuck in all sorts of crazy manouveres, talk to each other, look for lunch and never seem to have a single wing touch.
As said before we humans "the superior species" cant even accomplish simple lane changes without dramas.

[Captain]

The first thing I would do, is make everyone who passes judgement on laws regarding driving, safety etc, travel on their own, in rental cars across europe... nd if they panic, get caught out, crash etc... revoke their political licenses, their driving licenses, and put them through the more vigourous system that is in place over there...

Might be a start.

Rant over :):)

The problem is that even those whom we complain about have the right to drive. That little old lady, the old bloke, the soccer mum ... they're all valuable members of our community, they've paid their dues, how could you take away their mobility so that a few of us (who are such superior drivers :)) won't be inconvenienced?

I don't know why the driving culture is different in Europe, I don't understand why it should be so difficult to 'keep left unless overtaking', or why whenever there's anything different up ahead the road suddenly turns into a car park. Bloody frustrating, for sure.

[Birdman45]

I'd like to see a system for our freeways like in Germany when I was there - the inside lane is the fastest, progressively slowing down towards the outside. You could get booked for going too slow on the autobahn in the fast lanes. I'd like to see people booked for going too slow on our freeways. How often do you see people in a 110 zone sitting in the right lane vascillating between 90-100? It gives everyone behind them the sh*ts, and is dangerous because it creates unnecessary risk taking.

For those who want to go slow, let them stay to the left. For those who can do 130 / 140, let them drive in the right lane.

As for training and support, well, that's easy - a TV campaign that goes if ya can't f*cking do 130/140 in the right lane, f*ck off into the left one or get fined.

simple ;)

I like the way you think. I'd watch that ad. Haha As for minimum speeds they have them on freeways in Hawaii too. We hired Harleys over there (it was that or a scooter) and you would see cops pulling over fukwits on the scooters coz they couldn't do the minimum speed limit. That is awesome. All we need is one cop doing rounds of the major highways, booking people for either being in the right lane doing fuk all or going too slow or too fast, and we'd surely have clearer roads. Prolly not.... everyone would slow for the cop car, but hey, think of the revenue in that. Haha

And Cap, people do NOT have the right to drive on the road, THAT is the major problem with everything the way it is, people think it IS their right to drive on the road..... it isn't. It's a privilege, and if you can't do it to a minimum standard, then FUK OFF..... that's what buses and trains are for, or cab's. No way I have to die, coz some fukhead has the RIGHT to be on the road but can't drive for shit...... that is laughable.

[Captain]

And Cap, people do NOT have the right to drive on the road, THAT is the major problem with everything the way it is, people think it IS their right to drive on the road..... it isn't. It's a privilege, and if you can't do it to a minimum standard, then FUK OFF..... that's what buses and trains are for, or cab's. No way I have to die, coz some fukhead has the RIGHT to be on the road but can't drive for shit...... that is laughable.
Wait until you're an old man Birdman45, and your reflexes are a little slow, and you cop abuse from an 18 year old because you're taking too long to turn onto Parramatta Rd ...

I cannot agree, as much as they frustrate me too. This could be your grandfather, who worked his butt off his whole life to support his family, or maybe even fought for this country. It could be your poor grandmother, who's only joy is to drive to see the grandkids once a week. No, I cannot agree.

[LAW]

What we really need is something like the Netherlands system, they start offroad rally driving from a really young age, thier licencing system takes 6 months to complete (not, you have L's for 6 months, it actually takes 6 months to complete all the shit htey have to do) and they have topless models holding their speed signs. win, win and win.
their licencing system isn't just "reverse park, roundabout, drive in a straight line for 10 metres either. it's hard braking in the wet, skid pans, learning that oversteer won't give you cancer and the basic ABC of road racing (Accelerate, Brake, Corner, one at a time).

[Birdman45]

Wait until you're an old man Birdman45, and your reflexes are a little slow, and you cop abuse from an 18 year old because you're taking too long to turn onto Parramatta Rd ...

I cannot agree, as much as they frustrate me too. This could be your grandfather, who worked his butt off his whole life to support his family, or maybe even fought for this country. It could be your poor grandmother, who's only joy is to drive to see the grandkids once a week. No, I cannot agree.

I have said many times to my family, friends etc, "If I drive like that when I'm older then for fuk's sake take me off the road". I don't care if it's me, my grandmother, or Mother Mary, if you can't drive to a standard, then FUK OFF. OK, look at it like this, say my grandfather can't drive for shit...... and to use an example of what happened to me once, say you are coming up behind him, and he indicates to turn right. So you move to the left to go around him (nice wide open road), but before he turns right, he veers left and to miss him, you mount the curb, hit a pole and total your car, end up in hospital or even worse, dead........................ still has the right to be on the road does he? Poor ol' grand dad? You HAVE to be joking. :spank:

[Captain]

Let's not take it to the extreme; of course once somone is too old and they've lost the plot, for their safety (and for everyone else) they cannot keep driving. I didn't think we were talking about the extreme cases, but about those drivers who are a little slow or a little old, a little inexperienced or perhaps only drive on weekends.

[LAW]

yeah, my grandfather is 80 now, and has taken himself off the road. I would rather drive him to the shops that let him out on his own and he agrees. he will fall asleep at a red light or punch the brakes thinking its the clutch (he drives an auto). Imagine your grandfather/mother dies in an accident, singlecar or whatever, maybe they take a whole bunch of pedestrians wit hthem, while I find driving monotonously easy they find it difficult to coordinate themselves while concentrating on maintaining speed, avoiding stuff and poor vision, reaction times, coordination even reduced strength, with his knees he can't brake very hard. I certainly don't want him to be put in a situation where he might be in danger, and I'm sure you'd rather not be put in danger by him.

I don't mind old people driving normally, but when they hold everyone up, put themselves in dangerous positions or perform dangerous maneuvers on a regular basis (even as a collective group old people are some of the most dangerous people to be around on the road, in my experience) they have to reconsider their indipendance over their safety.

[Birdman45]

Exactly, I am not saying once you hit 60, you're gone...... and what I described has nothing to do with age, I just used the grandfather bit coz Captain used it as an example of people who have the right to be on the road. Forget the age and whatever else, it's a simple matter of it NOT being a right. Perform and be able to drive to a standard, or FUK OFF. Couldn't care if you're 20 or 120. And if you can still drive but can't handle doing 110 anymore, then keep of fthe 110 roads, or have a minimum of 90, OR god forbid, use another f'kin road, that is 60 and 70 all the way.

[Captain]

I don't have a major problem with that .... except in the practical aspect of determining what that 'standard' should be. Most people get annoyed at drivers who take too long, or drive a little slow etc etc etc ... and annoying as it is, it's not against the road rules. It's not even again our duty to those members of society who are a little slower than us, IMO.
If I remember right, this thread was all about slow driving on the highways, and this is also frustrating, but what can you do? Many people only drive on highways once a year etc, combine that with weekend drivers and they are nervous, so they're probably best slowing down a little.
Hogging the right lane is my pet hate too, and a law exists for that too .... but again, the practical enforcement is where we get stuck. This needs more cops on the road policing it .... but do we really want more cops on the road?

[Underground]

I'm about 94 now, and if any of you young whipper snappers think you're going to take my license from me, well...I'll, I'll be dissapointed in you. :(

[Jase]

Agree i live in a area where there are heaps of retirement homes and lots of oldies and to honest it's a real joke travelling not that i dont respect their right to drive i dont respect their driving prowess fair enough not all are bad but in most case's its rediculous and the RTA should have more frequent testing not only eyesight but a driving test the same as a P plater would do, to many times the driving incidents involve and older person because of their inability to identify a risk or even react in time to prevent one things like, co-ordination, eyesight and simple problem solving ( should i go left or right ) i myself have been caught out on many an occasion, not that youger drivers hav'nt done more so due to stupidity than any thing else. so i am in full agreeance but how does it get acted on most of the people at fault dont even realise they are doing something wrong until it's too late..

[Underground]

Agree i live in a area where there are heaps of retirement homes and lots of oldies and to honest it's a real joke travelling not that i dont respect their right to drive i dont respect their driving prowess fair enough not all are bad but in most case's its rediculous

Yes, well sonny jim, you youngin's tearin' around on your contraptions arent much good for our pacemakers either, so put a sock in it or move away.

[Jase]

hey sorry pop's didnt realise i past you thought you were pulling into the servo maybe you forgot where you were !!, oop's my bad my 89 corolla is just too fast youre right maybe its time to move from retirement haven ...

[Underground]

maybe its time to move from retirement haven ...

Wont be long, and we'll be dead and long forgotten - and you youngins can hoon around in a rush all nimbly bimbly and think of only yourselves. Its the way the world is going, all on the clock and no consideration, how I miss the old days.

[Underground]

Also, before any of you think any of this talkie' has any merit, please note - we are already fucked.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=921944



A surge in NSW road deaths has already put this year's figures well ahead of last year's, with the Christmas holiday season still to come.
New figures reveal 393 people have died on the state's roads so far in 2009 - a result that has eclipsed the total of 374 for the whole of 2008.
NSW Transport Minister David Campbell has urged motorists to slow down and take care on the state's roads.
"No one wants to get that dreaded phone call or that terrible visit, to be told that a loved one has died on our roads," Mr Campbell said in a statement.
"Every time someone dies, entire families and communities are affected."
Teenage learner driver Kayla Green, 16, died early Wednesday morning and her three friends were seriously injured when their car smashed head-on into another vehicle near Port Macquarie, on the state's mid-north coast.
An ambulance spokeswoman said the three survivors were asleep at the time of the accident and Kayla may have fallen asleep at the wheel.
Mr Campbell said motorists caught speeding or running red lights would be sent safety messages on their penalty notices about the number of people killed on NSW roads from speeding.
He said speed accounted for 43 per cent of all vehicle crashes, alcohol for more than 20 per cent and fatigue for 18 per cent.

[LAW]

302 people died on NSW roads in 1999, and now that we have "safety" cameras, increased HWP and Hitler Von StalinJong-Ill running out roads department we have a predicted 400+ road toll.

Speed cameras cause deaths :n:

[EDIT] just found another source that says 577 deaths in NSW for 1999?

[Underground]

302 people died on NSW roads in 1999, and now that we have "safety" cameras, increased HWP and Hitler Von StalinJong-Ill running out roads department we have a predicted 400+ road toll.

Speed cameras cause deaths :n:

One could argue that the figures are in line with population growth, and affordability of vehicles and petrol.

[Johnny]

On topic of old age drivers, no one should be more pissed with them than I should, been taken out on two separate occassions by elderly ladies ( it hurt), but they need to get around aswell so instead of aiming anger at them, finger is pointed at the government for not making driver/rider training compulsary. Back on topic of speeding, would I of liked them two elders to be travelling any faster when they took me out ?, well hell no cause I wouldnt be here now.

[Underground]

On topic of old age drivers, no one should be more pissed with them than I should, been taken out on two separate occassions by elderly ladies ( it hurt),

Ngaaaaaaaaaaarh we're comin' to get you Johhny

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/a8/6/AAAAApcAsb4AAAAAAKhgHQ.jpg

[Johnny]

One on the left looks identical to the lady who took me out last time in the merc, I swear it :lmao: She even had to be helped out from the car, so wanted to smash her one untill I saw her, then her tears, get farkkkked Im getting soft ey ? :dohsmiley: :lmao:

[Underground]

One on the left looks identical to the lady who took me out last time in the merc, I swear it :lmao: She even had to be helped out from the car, so wanted to smash her one untill I saw her, then her tears, get farkkkked Im getting soft ey ? :dohsmiley: :lmao:

She comes from a day and age where responsibility for ones own actions is paramount, the efforts she went to, to make sure you were looked after are rare and admirable, this is in a day and age where her peers are being run over, and left to die on the road by motorists who do not have these same values.
I'm happy you chose not to 'smash her one'

[Underground]

I guess the drivers of these cars need public service awards? ridding the society of burden? - In both cases, I'd like to know the age and demographic of the drivers in question.

Too slow to cross roads, too slow to drive cars... basically, imperfection incarnate.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/hitandrun-driver-reverses-drives-around-victim-and-leaves-20091029-hldq.html (http://www.smh.com.au/national/hitandrun-driver-reverses-drives-around-victim-and-leaves-20091029-hldq.html)

http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-seeking-leads-on-hit-and-run-20091028-hkrj.html (http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-seeking-leads-on-hit-and-run-20091028-hkrj.html)

Our population is living longer, and getting older - there will be many more people out there for you pillars of perfection to bitch about in the coming years.

[Birdman45]

Also, before any of you think any of this talkie' has any merit, please note - we are already fucked.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=921944

He said speed accounted for 43 per cent of all vehicle crashes, alcohol for more than 20 per cent and fatigue for 18 per cent.


Now see, I rekon that is bullshit, it was a FACTOR is 43%..... but it didn't cause the accidents. It's stupid to say, "speed was a factor" of course it was, they were fukin moving. But how can they blame the speed itself on the accident itself, they can't.... fact is, they did something else, or didn't do it, and they crashed, and that they were speeding, or "moving" coz they said "speed" not going over the limit, caused the shitfight, BUT if they had of had a f'kin clue in the first place, they prolly wouldn't have crashed and speed wouldn't have been anything to do with anything else.

Nobody I know does the speed limit all the time, you only have to get in your car and go for a drive to see how many drivers go over the limit, and if you bvelieved the ads and bullshit, we/they should all be dead now.... it's complete bullshit.

[Underground]

Now see, I rekon that is bullshit, it was a FACTOR is 43%.....

Simple point is, that whatever you and I reckon, it does not matter.

If a car was doing X amount over the legislated speed limit at the time of the fatality, speeding is the pigeon hole it falls into.

Logic, perception, and realism are all facets of the decision process that are consistently eliminated from any judgments in such statistics.

Statistics which are used when judging 'effectivness' of campaigns, of people in the divisions of government which devise the laws, and the police which are employed by us, the tax payers to protect us from ourselves.

You might be the best car driver on the planet, but there are 20,000 people who are one distraction away on our roads from causing the next fatality.

[spanky158]

An interesting and timely article from smh today

http://www.smh.com.au/drive/kill-your-limits-not-the-speed-groups-say-20091029-hnqq.html

[Underground]

An interesting and timely article from smh today

http://www.smh.com.au/drive/kill-your-limits-not-the-speed-groups-say-20091029-hnqq.html

A timely voice of reason, and then comes the RTA



In August the Roads and Traffic Authority completed a safety review on the road that connects Victoria and Queensland through NSW. Citing road geometry, traffic volumes and the high percentage of heavy vehicles on the road, the report recommended the speed limit be dropped from 110km/h to 100km/h between the Queensland and Victorian borders.

[Captain]

Fucking rta, they can go and get fucked! What a useless bunch of shits they are!

[LAW]

An interesting and timely article from smh today

http://www.smh.com.au/drive/kill-your-limits-not-the-speed-groups-say-20091029-hnqq.html

:mod_smilie_rockwoot Except some limp wristed doughnut puncher from the Redundant Tailgunning Arsewipe department will tell Today Tonight that it will aid terrorist groups in Australia if they can drive to thier targets faster, so limits should be dropped to 80km/h. or something like that :rules:

[Birdman45]

Simple point is, that whatever you and I reckon, it does not matter.

If a car was doing X amount over the legislated speed limit at the time of the fatality, speeding is the pigeon hole it falls into.

Logic, perception, and realism are all facets of the decision process that are consistently eliminated from any judgments in such statistics.

Statistics which are used when judging 'effectivness' of campaigns, of people in the divisions of government which devise the laws, and the police which are employed by us, the tax payers to protect us from ourselves.

You might be the best car driver on the planet, but there are 20,000 people who are one distraction away on our roads from causing the next fatality.

yeah but it doesn't make it right. Like when you see a cop standing next to a mangled car on the lawn of someones house... "we can say that speed was definately a factor and we urge the public to slow down". Doesn't say "the fukwit was sms'ing his girlfriend and clipped the median strip, launching his fully hectic Civic in to this poor bastards house"......... oh no, "speed was involved." Hahaha Unless he was at a fukin red light, I am guessing it would have been.

[The Outsider]

and anotherarticle

http://www.smh.com.au/drive/motor-news/is-speed-really-a-killer-20091030-ho9e.html

[Captain]

yeah but it doesn't make it right. Like when you see a cop standing next to a mangled car on the lawn of someones house... "we can say that speed was definately a factor and we urge the public to slow down". Doesn't say "the fukwit was sms'ing his girlfriend and clipped the median strip, launching his fully hectic Civic in to this poor bastards house"......... oh no, "speed was involved." Hahaha Unless he was at a fukin red light, I am guessing it would have been.
+1
The head of the NRMA was being interviewed today, and she explained that many times they are not sure how a crash occured; it's not always clear, perticularly with ABS that doesn't always leave skid marks etc, plus a million and one variables ... so the police just put down 'speed'. NRMA's own research suggests that around 30% of those should actually be 'fatigue', the other 70% is anybody's guess ... and here's where the higher speed limits come in. By not taking as long to get there, you won't be as tired.

I won't tell them this, but there's an error in that reasoning too (sadly). When I live in Italy, I often did the Venice-Rome run and I could do it in around 4.5 hrs ... normally sitting on 180Km/h for hours on end (woohoo), and I have to admit, it's exhausting, the concentration is much higher. They say you get used to it, and maybe you do, but most people won't drive enough to get used to it.
Then again, 130 is not 180 ...

[wade193]

Interesting results, and much more realistic. I'd love to see 130kmh all over the place especially on the m5 as i use it all the time. But when there are useless people who don't feel comfortable doing 110kmh anyway (besides L and P plate drivers) 130- 100 or less in some situations is too great a gap. People misjudge 10kmh when they pull out etc.
In conclusion i'd love to have higher speed limits.
Its like the old chinese proverb "the faster you go, the faster you get there"

[SUPA4]

Yet another article... http://www.smh.com.au/drive/revealed-drivers-freed-to-speed-20091030-hptp.html

Nice to see the head of the Pedestrian Council of Australia getting involved in this again...

If they put as much emphasis on looking where you are going (rather than talking on the phone, playing with the stereo/GPS) in their media campaigns and police work as they do speed... the roads might be a safer place.

And as much as I hate to say it, I kind of agree with Miranda Devine's controversial article the other day about how the road should be for powered vehicles only... the amount of accidents I see nearly happen of a morning driving to work on Southern Cross Drive... when cyclists are using a major arterial road for exercise during peak hour...

[LAW]

100% Mr EvoX, I've seen cyclists riding in thier lycra bondage suits on windsor rd, parrallel less than 5 meters from a bike path :confused1: Do they just get all high and mighty and the bike paths are below them? for the commoners?

[Mr.Ed]

Maybe it's just a neighborhood thing... but here in the Eastern Suburbs the big hazard is the crazy scooter riders. Yes we do get the "I'll pedal at 5km/h in Bondi Rd/Oxford St/etc in the middle of the lane because I can" kinda cyclist but they're nowhere near as unpredictable as the scooters. The new trend now seems to be that scooter don't reaaaally have to wait for a red light. And it's such a shame, 'cause a lot of the times the riders are these really hot chicks and they're wearing like thongs and skirts... and I would hate to see all that beauty wasted on the pavement.

[Captain]

Nice to see the head of the Pedestrian Council of Australia getting involved in this again...
If I remember right, this is the bloke who had access to every road minister since Labour has been in power in NSW ... we have him to thank for all our stupid laws, speed limits, speed cameras. Only one minister, when he held this post, wouldn't see him, he thought he was a total fuckwit and banned him from office.

The pedestrian council are bigger fuckwits than the RTA, they'd have us back to the stone age if given a chance.

[Birdman45]

and there in-lies the problem of giving bikes to people who have no interest in them other than they think it's faster, easier top park and cheaper to get there. Once they work out they can lane split, and move in traffic easier and faster, then fuk it, why wait for lights? I've broken every road rule to get to them, why abide by the law now? LOL