Ape RS4 and its already got customer fuming...

[SIX36]

Some people in the UK (thanks) have already taken delivery of their new RSV4 ad many bought and hunted for new replacement exhaust ystem before delivery...
Like Ducati but worse they have a passcode to remap the ECU and this is only available if u purchase the full TI system from Aprilia, So all the parts shops selling full system are left with scrap metal... Even the big names in exhaust systems are left out by Aprilia.
Here's a pic of the factory aftermarket pipe from Ape.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/ZXSIXR/IMG_0299.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/ZXSIXR/IMG_0302.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/ZXSIXR/IMG_0300.jpg


He's some info behind Ape rules
My bike is being prepped by my dealer today and they are fitting a stainless Akra full system with carbon can.

They have moved onto mapping it and guess what......Aprilia are monopolising the market! Turns out that you have to buy the full titanium system from them in order to receive a passcode to change the mapping.
If you buy or attempt to fit any other system (even if you buy a titanium one from elsewhere) they will not release the code allowing you to play with the ecu!!!!!!!!!
Even if you did buy it from them, it would still take a minimum of 5 working days for a code to be released by Aprilia!

Surely this cant be right? I have never heard of anything before in my life!

Are there ways around it?

Now they have to re-fit the standard system so i can collect tomorrow!

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181048

[Tarrasque]

1st

"Well lots of people in the states"

States dont get it until Novemeber... That guy is in UK

2nd

there is a passcode 12412, that is at least allows access to diagnostics, not sure if allows changes.

3rd

RSV4

[Big Lunt]

That is ridiculous....talk about setting it up to score some extra $$$$$

They will probably come out with some bullshit about warranty and the only way to ensure.everything........blah blah blah

[Captain]

first of all

"Well lots of people in the states"

States dont get it until Novemeber... That guy is in UK

2nd there is a passcode 12412, that is at least allows access to diagnostics, not sure if allows changes.

hmmmm .... someone's done their homework .... :ayyy:

[James]

looks damn nice with that can :ayyy:

[SIX36]

1st

"Well lots of people in the states"

States dont get it until Novemeber... That guy is in UK

2nd

there is a passcode 12412, that is at least allows access to diagnostics, not sure if allows changes.

3rd

RSV4

Cheers for heads up just pinched the info from AF1. I guess Aprilia don't want the issues they had with the sxv/rxv with uneducated dealers fucking up engines from poor set up and de restricting. Touch wood my sxv is fine but so many have failed and cost Ape a mint in warranty when it was never a manufacturing issue just a dealer prep issue.

Diagnostics maybe but no change of map as you know they have the maps built into the stock ecu the passcode just unlocks them, so once the bike hits mainstream someone will hack it.
Or likes of nemisis will make a custom standalone ecu.
Either way likes of Akra and Leo Vince make all their full system and slip on to run on standard air/fuel mixtures so all is not lost.

[wade193]

I like the look too. Surely once one person eventually buys the full system and gets a passcode for mapping that they would be able to tell other people what the code is so that they don't have to buy it.
+1 on the research Tarrasque

[SIX36]

I like the look too. Surely once one person eventually buys the full system and gets a passcode for mapping that they would be able to tell other people what the code is so that they don't have to buy it.
+1 on the research Tarrasque

Nope its individual passcodes for each serial numered ECU....

[Captain]

The reply from the Akra vendor is interesting though; who's to say you need to change any mapping?


Hello Ryan,

Okay, no panic here, we've encountered this kind of issue in the past with various makes.

I'll contact Akrapovic, but firstly I need to make a very clear point.

Akrapovic design ALL of their aftermarket products to run on standard air and fuel ratios, the dyno graphs you see on their website for all makes including the RSV-4 are measured under these STANDARD settings, this is to demonstrate the effectiveness of the exhaust in it's own right without clouding the improvements with things such as air filter and fuelling changes. [see the FAQ's on the Akrapovic site where they address this issue]

Therefore the system you have even on standard settings is far from worthless in terms of power increase. A 5 bhp increase at peak and a massive torque boost are all delivered on standard air/fuel ratios.

The new fuel map that Aprilia are holding will REFINE things and may improve SLIGHTLY the to end increase and some increases at various throttle positions but be clear on this, the majority of the improvements already come from the exhaust. horror stories form manufacturers regarding blown engines etc if not fuelled are simply not true, they are designed purely as a control mechanism to stop people going outside of their commercial loop.

Akrapovic may be able to help with a map and I'm sure if they have one they will supply it, but I would expect them to say, exactly as they have done for the past 19 years " we build the system to work on OE fuelling - it works perfectly well on those settings and we don't enter into fuelling modifications"

I'll come back to you as soon as I have an answer.

Thanks,

Colin

[SIX36]

Exactly i have not remapped my Akra on the 848 or the 636, lots of people are running full systems from Arata, Akra or leo on all late model Ducs with a near perfect if not still a tad rich A/F ratio.

[2ndclasscitizen]

Man, that Ape pipe looks absolutely brilliant, fuck the Akras, I'll take that one.

[SIX36]

Man, that Ape pipe looks absolutely brilliant, fuck the Akras, I'll take that one.

LOL its made by Akra all Ape factory pipes are from the very first RSV.

[Captain]

And you'll be paying four times as much for the Ape label, by the sounds of it :lmao:

[SIX36]

And you'll be paying four times as much for the Ape label, by the sounds of it :lmao:

$3k from some of the posts in the link...not sure what currency want to hope its not UK pounds lol

[Tarrasque]

Evolution full titanium system £1767 inc vat (carbon or titanium silencer)

Racing system - stainless headers £1380 inc vat (carbon or titanium silncer)

[STANLEY]

Having heard one in the flesh you wouldn't want to change the pipe anyway.
Stock they sound awesome!!!

There are not going to be any replacememnt bolt-ons for these things as they are VERY electronically controlled, multiple TPS inputs, variable length intake tracts etc. all to control plus exhaust valves.

The maps are another download, not stored. The ecu needs to be electronically accessed (password encrypted) to remove the current mapping then updated with the new mapping once supplied with a code from Aprilia.

I think maybe a slip-on would not require remapping anyway judging by the sound & claimed power outputs.

Dave Ward
Moto Italia
Aprilia-Ducati-Moto Guzzi
0432 441 985

[Pymm]

ridiculous!

[clarkey]

looks damn nice with that can :ayyy:

doesnt it just , .....worth the wait me thinks

[zRoYz]

As the RS4 hasn't even been released all over the world yet so numbers are still very low, which also means wrecks are more or less none existent. It wont take long for the electronic gizmo freaks to hack the ECU in time when there able to get there hands on one.

[STANLEY]

For sure, Wayne McDonald (Tune Boy) being the most likely here.

I know Motec are working on direct plug-in ECU's for bikes now so maybe them also???

Dave Ward
Moto Italia
Aprilia-Ducati-Moto Guzzi
0432 441 985

[Tarrasque]

what news about the race ecu with traction control?

[STANLEY]

The race version of the bike has it, not heard about any upgrade for the std. or Factory versions yet.

Dave Ward
Moto Italia
Aprilia-Ducati-Moto Guzzi
0432 441 985