Old Pac now 40km/h in parts

[senergy]

As the title says, went up the Old Pac on my way around and found some of the good corners are now sign posted as 40km/h then a few metres past the recommended speed corner (the yellow signs) say 45... useless council.
So with the Cops and 40km/h zones the Old Pac is dead to me. I'm going to slab past it on my way to the better roads up north.

[stetto]

That sucks, i loved that road. They've murdered it

[clarkey]

Are you sure there not just warning 20-40km corner signs...? was there yesterday and had a great day , Didnt notice any new signage

[Mr Bones]

Yeah I stay off it already. Been on it only a few times in recent years. Too many cops. Bastards!!!

[gsx10]

they are definately 40km/h signs (not advisory) and warns of fallen rocks, hence the reason for the lower speed limit. didn't seen any rocks though :ayyy:
--->> http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0018/10476/40.jpg
It's just near the 55'ers in the start of the 60 zone side heading north.

[Captain]

They're not speed limits though, are they? Please don't say they are.

[phizog]

Yes they are limits, not advisory signs. They are in 2-3 sections. Around good corners :( I really hope someone nicks off with the signs!

But the 40 sections only really last about 100 metres, although I think one 40 area is where the 55 sweepers are just as you come into the 'tourist route' area.

To make matters worse, there was a marked car hiding in a driveway in the 40 zone, ready to pounce! Fkn...

[Captain]

The pox on those responsible!

[saf]

Bollocks. However this is good news for rapists who drive past the cops at 40km/h. They still go by undetected because the cops are focussing ever more on those evil speeders.

[Johnny]

Hahahahha, dropping speed limit from a 100 to 80, 80 to 60, has reduced the fatalities and accidents over the years hasnt it, now 60 to 40 (?), how can that fail eh ?, people will die of fucken boredom now :lmao: :lmao:

[OutOfControl]

people will die of fucken boredom now :lmao: :lmao:

:lmao:

They'll die of old age trying to reach the next corner goin that slow..

[Schtevo]

It must have happened this week - I came home that way on Sunday last weekend and didn't see the new signs. Assholes.

Lower speed limit will make it almost as boring as the freeway, hopefully the comment saying it was only a few little bits was accurate - and also hopefully the filth will just speed trap in the 40 bits and leave the rest alone a little......

[Dave75]

they can't be fucking serious 40klm? its not saving lives is generating money....

[James]

I my as well ride through Balmain for kicks - at least all the corners there are 50kph:confused:

[cracka50]

that is a real shame, it is or was my favourite stretch.

[speedy]

was not that long ago.... i was only saying to my wife as we caged it up with the family how much i enjoyed the Old pack on two wheels...

low and behond on the single lane section just B4 R/Ws... a copper stepped out from behind a sign (and his hidden bike) and booked me for 75 in a 60.... that was about a week after they dropped the limit from 80, i know my bad...

as he was giving me my so desreved ticket, he says, "notice the bikes going past so slow...they know whats going on" i says.."so do i, there's a fucking cop booking me on the side of the road.. duh...."

[saf]

Did you saying 'fucking'?

[speedy]

well may of exagerataded a little on that, but in no uncertain terms, even with the Girls in the back... i made my thoughts well known.......

thank fuck tho im always done for speeding in the cage.. cos if its on the bike... im gunna get locked up!!!!!!!!

[phizog]

hopefully the comment saying it was only a few little bits was accurate

Yeh its not the whole road or anything, that'd be legally retarded! :D Just a few short bits, but its still enough to piss everyone off.. :(

[gazujc]

There is a post that makes mention of the lower limit and signs for fallen rocks so I wouldn't get to carried away that this is a permanent change in any way. Sure, it might be convenient as to the corners involved and all, but given the mention of the fallen rock signs (even though none were seen) it would seem more like a non-permanent lowering.

Besides, who wants to go rippin through a corner only to see a rock in the middle of the road as even a small rock will cause major control problems if hit.

If people are that concerned (and I ain't as I live south), call teh council or RTA and ask them.

Further backing to this being temporary is the report that the advisory signs now are above the limit of the area which is an issue in itself as those signs are adjusted before speed limits are lowered. Use this as the tack when calling, just advise 'out of courtesy of course' that the advisory signs are above the limit of the area and that this is unjust. They will tell you if it is a temporary thing.







Garry

[saf]

I went though today and yeah, there's a large sign with '28KM Scenic Route: 40km' just past the Mooneymooney service station. Y'know where the duck's crossing is? Just there. And it only lasts approx 300M. Although it's silly because it says 40Km then 10 metres away it says 55km for the corner.

Overall though it didn't detract from the enjoyment. Provided... you know what.

[Captain]

I don't get it saf .... are you sure it's a speed limit and not just a sign telling drivers that the next 40 km are a 'scenic route'? because I've seen signs like that before.

[saf]

It has the large 'scenic route' sign and then embedded into it is a regular speed limit sign with 40 on it. It isn't like signs that say twisty road next x km, it's the white sign with a red circle and large black numbers in it.

Around the same area there's a couple of 40 speed limit signs independently posted, right next to a corner that is advised at 55km/h. Crazy.

[gazujc]

Well it is a council road so Gosford Council are responsible.

So, a phone call later and they will be providing an answer (just waiting for their reply).

Will update if/when I get an answer.



EDIT: Just to confirm. Is this northbound or southbound at Mooney Mooney?





Garry

[Captain]

Thanks mate. Doesn't sound good then, does it? How could they possibly make it 40 ... when it used to be 100? Surely there must be something that can be done?????

[gazujc]

Thanks mate. Doesn't sound good then, does it? How could they possibly make it 40 ... when it used to be 100? Surely there must be something that can be done?????



Well the person spoken to remembered it as an 80 zone, also remembered the older dual highway section at Mt White as a 100 zone and laughed at the thought it could be 40 as she (yes, she) considered 60 to be to slow. But, she is only the eprson on the end of the phone so will pass on the issue.

Now, for the purposes the issue reported was that there was a 40kmh zone sign that had no ending (that was seen) and this was immediately prior to corneres with an advisory speed higher than the 40kmh zone. The point being that the advisory speed signage should be lowered/replaced if the zone is permanent prior to the zone changing.

Lets just see what happens.






Gaz

[saf]

It's both directions. Just here in the area north of Point Rd.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mooney+mooney+NSW&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=42.969351,56.601563&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.523356,151.199609&spn=0.004928,0.006909&t=h&z=17

[quickchick]

Well they were out in force, green and orange XR8's, on Sunday.

Probably because a little birdie told me that someone did a runner on them last week and was chased for a lot of the OPH all the way to West Pennant Hills Road. I hear you ask "Did they get caught?" Nope, got away I believe.

[gsx10]

Well they were out in force, green and orange XR8's, on Sunday.

Probably because a little birdie told me that someone did a runner on them last week and was chased for a lot of the OPH all the way to West Pennant Hills Road. I hear you ask "Did they get caught?" Nope, got away I believe.

and don't forget the blue ss (marked) HWP was also there on Sunday. damn near caused me to crash applying brakes that hard, then realised i was doing a slow speed anyhow. They have no courtesy, perhaps a warning sign saying cops ahead might reduce the road toll :pisslaugh:

[triumph]

if its the person i think it is . yes he did get caught near the M2 230kh in a 80 zone .

[saf]

There was no presence there today. Just motorists happily puttering along without being hassled or worried they'll get nicked. Very relaxed.

[gazujc]

Ok, had an answer from Gosford Council just now ............................ yes, seriously just now, I was amazed as well at the time.


The 40kmh zones do exist and are 'regulatory changes' that are allowed if/where a road condition is considered unsafe.. In this case the unsafe condition is falling rocks that have been seen in the sections now marked as 40kmh zones.

The officer advised that yes, these are now the speed limits for those identified sections and as such you could be booked for speeding (like duh!)

I asked if/where the end to these zones were as there was no clear indication or whether the zone wast he full length and was advised that the zones do only run for a few hundred metres around the cliff face/rock walls. But, there may be other roadworks by the RTA that could extend these zones.

He did not know if there were signs at the end of these zones but will check on that aspect.

Now, the road is a council road but he did drop that it may soon revert back to an RTA road as the council does not have funding and it is this reason why such zones have been implemented as the council does not have funding to fix the problems. And yes, this applies to these 40 zones and I got the impression that the best approach is to not expect anything to soon.

The guy I spoke with also advised that there had been some thefts of the mtorocycle blackspot type of signage of late as well and had concerns that it may be a local. He did say, although well off any record that if a rider experiences any problems of identifies any road issues to please report it to the road safety officer of the council (basically, he gave me the impression that some locals may be troublemaking).

Ok so there, they do exist but should not be the entire length and should have an 'end' to teh section where it reverts to the hugely popular 60 zone






Garry

[Johnny]

Well done in taking the time to chase it all up and get back with it Garry, I couldnt care less for the rd to be honest, wether its a 40 zone or 70 zone, what fucking difference does it make ?..., but you took the time none the less, so well done.. :clap:


Now show us ya tits :lmao:

[gazujc]

Now show us ya tits :lmao:


Been there, done that and I still didn't get to second base with ya. :dohsmiley:





Gaz

[Johnny]

Been there, done that and I still didn't get to second base with ya. :dohsmiley:





Gaz

KTM-Paul wanted you all for himself and he was threatenning me :baby:

[gazujc]

KTM-Paul wanted you all for himself and he was threatenning me :baby:



Can't believe that you find the KTM riding nancy boy scarey. :lmao:






Gaz

[1notop]

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468888

So I guess this means almost everything north of the bridge is now 40kmh?

Would think PITS (probably diff council south of the bridge though)
should have a petition or something about this
as it's going to affect their business directly.

[1down5up]

just goes to show ya that the motorist\ riders are the big cash cow i think with all the fines they have given out at the old rd they could pay for the rock problem to be fixed (and fit solid gold guard rails ) years ago. i for 1 would love to meet the ppl in charge of the whole mess and offer them a blind fold while i reload my .45 mag and then send them to see god (joking ). i for 1 am sick of been prayed on just so someone in goverment can be prowd of a bottom line on a account sheet all in the name of safety ( how can ya be safe when ya looking at a speedo or trying to see the pigs hiding behind some tree/bushes all the time and not the road )

[Dr freedom]

just goes to show ya that the motorist\ riders are the big cash cow i think with all the fines they have given out at the old rd they could pay for the rock problem to be fixed (and fit solid gold guard rails ) years ago. i for 1 would love to meet the ppl in charge of the whole mess and offer them a blind fold while i reload my .45 mag and then send them to see god (joking ). i for 1 am sick of been prayed on just so someone in goverment can be prowd of a bottom line on a account sheet all in the name of safety ( how can ya be safe when ya looking at a speedo or trying to see the pigs hiding behind some tree/bushes all the time and not the road )
Thats Gosford council you will want to wave that thing at .. just think, had they done their jobs properly & looked after the road, that section might not have opened up & those people might still be alive.. however this was the straw that broke the old roads back.. the 40 zones & related were probably on the books to be done, just the section washed away has bought those ideas forward.

[Johnny]

With all due respect, as someone who lived 15 minutes away from old rd for yrs, and knows it better than the back of his hand, its the riders themselves who are to blame, no need to look for somewhere to point finger at, be honest with yourselves atleast.

[Jamesy]

Johnny, you know that road like the back of your hand (at speed) as do a few that may remember the faster speed limits.

A big boost of riders in the mid-2000s saw a few more accidents and a big drop in speed limits. As always, even when it was a 100 the people having the accidents were not really abiding that speed guideline and were exceeding it (or riding out of their abilities).

The real reasons for the drops are to drive motorcyclists away and have cyclists use it more. After all, the Old Road use to have a sign that cyclists were not permitted but this was removed (Sommersby end).

Again, another coincidence is one of the council members is an avid cyclist.

Hell, even car drivers are sick of cyclists holding hands in the middle of blind corners up there yet they still go unchallenged.

It is interesting Gosford Council will use falling rocks as an excuse. More and more cyclists are using the road. Soon the cars will be avoiding it too.

Too bad ICAC can't investigate the council's motivations

[Dr freedom]

Too bad ICAC can't investigate the council's motivations
They can, they do, (W/Gong, Liverpool..) im not sure what it takes to warrant an investigation though.. maybe here nothing does?

[xcabbi]

They can, they do, (W/Gong, Liverpool..) im not sure what it takes to warrant an investigation though.. maybe here nothing does?

Wollongong was a shambles because most people in the community knew what was going on to a degree. One of my mates was on the council that got sacked even though he was not one of the ones being investigated.

Lets just say that even when they do play by the rules its a lose lose situation for us.

Anyone in Wollongong actually paid attention to the political process regarding the Drummond street/Masters Road intersection. Council and the RTA had already made up their mind that they were going to close it before the community was going to be consulted about the changes. All of the consultation evenings, display draft proposals and every other piece of community consultation was only carried out as a legal requirement, eve though it was never acted on. And the intention was to never act on it.

When it comes to road safety and councils, every time we exercise our right to an pinion it is a futile exercise. We can have all of the motoring committee's we like but what use is it if the bastards have already made up their minds before we get a chance to speak. Come next local govt election I'm thinking of running.

Anyway Back OT: With the old Road and Falling rocks, I'm surprised that they haven't closed the road yet. Down here if any road has a rock fall on it for a certain period of time the RTA automatically steps in and closes the road until its fixed. Lowering the speed limit will not help stop you from copping a boulder to the noggin. If anything, it makes you a sitting duck.

[Greggy-68]

Here is some food for thought.

I just checked my data logger on my pushbike (yeh yeh yeh), from last time i did PITS down to the Bridge, i topped out at 71km/h, for the total run down, i averaged 51.......

[Naked Twin]

I was up there yesterday afternoon, what fun coming back with the holiday traffic, what was I thinking? Anyway the 40klm zone seems to be on every other corner that someone was seriously injured/ killed on. Yes this is a rock wall but no evidence of falling rocks. Did spot a hwy patrol on the way back.

Johnny you are right about the reason for the speed limits. Whilst not as dangerous or as accident prone as the authorities made out (NSW RTA statistics never supported the claims) it was still a case of too many bikes sliding along the road.

With regards to Wollongong, we have a client who regularly entertained Joe Schimone (spelling) for lunch, when we would have lunch in Wollongong Joe, the chick giving favours plus a couple of developers would be there enjoying our clients lunch, they would always leave prior to paying. I see Joe got a job through his mate Joe Tripodi, nice having friends in high places.

Nick

[Turtle]

Since when did anyone do the limit anyway ??

[scott]

Since when did anyone do the limit anyway ??

thats what i was thinking.:confused1:

[stetto]

Thats not the point, its ur doing another 20kmh over the speed limit if u do get done

[triumph]

what i always keep to the speed limit .

[Jake]

Since when did anyone do the limit anyway ??

Dunno, I reckon there's a good 3-4 corners where I can almost do the limit - plus all the straights! :mod_smilie_rockwoot



















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