Do you enjoy trackdays? Ever enjoyed 'battling'with a mate out there? Must Read!!!

[jasonbw]

Guys,

I've just had the experience of a lifetime, I've previously had a taste of the real adrenalin hit of chasing/passing/chasing again a mate at the track, Bigdog! That was the first sign to me that I wanted just a little more than the current trackday rules allow for.

A mate suggested I do a club round of racing, nooo way, I value my bike, and life... but I eventually decided I had to try it, even just once, to see what it was like.

Can I suggest, if you can relate to the chase and play fun at a trackday then please, entertain the idea this might work... why???? because you and your mate can roll up and play on track in 6 lap races at your own pace! You get printed precise laptime splits and the fun of starting in a race.

Are my laptimes ok enough to play? Well if you can do 1:38 or less around Oran Park, then you wouldn't have been in last place! And if you roll up with a mate you can both choose your pace and risk level, and be left alone to have a friggin ball.

Cost? about the same as a trackday... sure theres a yearly license cost, but tyres wise you can use anything that you would use at a trackday. (A rat on this site did brilliantly well in the 600's on tyres that weren't just 2nd hand... they had two previous owners and were well and truly used up!!! yet he got a couple of top ten positions!!!) hands up dude, you should be proud.
Entry fee's are similar to a trackday! Nothing more...

For a taste I've put this youtube clip from my 1st race day yesterday (Sat 9th May 09), this is the 4th and last race of the day for the 1000cc bikes (anything goes modifications wise). After the chequered flag I was actually YELLING for joy in my helmet... when's the last time you've done that on a trackday? The only time for me was that 'race' with Bigdog.

Is it nerve racking? Incredibly NOT!!! The morning runs like a normal trackday, you setup the bike, everyone is wandering around saying Hi, you head out for qualifying and suddenly you realise it's exactly like a trackday.. you do a few laps.. you get your qualifying result and know your grid position, an hour later your lining up for the first 6 lap race... no weird nerves, just anticipation for the start, from then on, no time for nerves, just time for fun!
Everyone is joking together after the race... even on my first race, I battled (and lost) with a guy who I had no idea who he was (Marco - legend), we pass the chequered flag and the guy turns on his seat and gives me a thumbs up and punch into the air, he was stoked and really enjoyed the race... so no matter where you finish it's all about having fun at your own pace!

Please, if you can relate to the above, post up and well find answers the any questions on what forms and who to contact to get enrolled for Eastern Creek next month.... even if its for ONE round, it'll be something you can tell the grandkids about :D Racing!!! Do it!!!

St George Eastern Creek Rd2
Race 1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlqDxmyHTZ8

Race 2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si8pWrtLYaQ

Race 4...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6fvdS1oSho

#race 3 didn't record for some reason

St George Oran Park Rd1
Race 1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZPmy7w36bU

Race 2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjbOhXXGOw

Race 4...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=difeJ0FQkkU

[wade193]

Awesome :ayyy:
Nice write up and video.

[jasonbw]

Thanks! I was in a garage with RATs only!!!! There were just three of us in there but guys, it'd be a riot to have a bunch of RATs racing... I wonder what youd call a "race of rats"? :D :D :D

[DanFX]

Formula Xtreme and St George @ EC in june, see you there!

[jasonbw]

OUTSTANDING!!!! Tell us what FX is like??? as great of a club scene as St George?

[chriskerr]

nice, love OP that vid makes me want to jump out there and do it all again!

[DanFX]

OUTSTANDING!!!! Tell us what FX is like??? as great of a club scene as St George?

I did FX at wakefield 2-3 months ago, it was my first race!
I had an absolute ball, friday practice followed by 2 fun days of going fast!
The only problem i faced was 3/4 of the 600 superstock field was filled by racers who can do 1:40 or quicker at EC!

Had two other dudes who were both doing similar times to me and we ran our own race! can't beat battles!

I'd prefer to race over track days!

.... and don't worry about coming last, you're doing better than the person watching from the other side of the fence :ayyy:

[jasonbw]

Brilliant Chris! Pity about OP closing this year, there's another St George club round later this year! Guys, even if you've not done much at Oran it shouldn't stop you, I've done two trackdays before this race day, you get to learn a lot with the experienced guys around you!

EDIT: Dan, spot on, you can have your own race with a mate if you can't match the big boys pace.

[frostyscurse]

Awesome stuff... if you are trying to inspire people you may well of got me!!

[pan]

Excellent video! Looks awesome having a go!
7th heh? Much be so much fun!

A few more rounds of CSBS and I might just join in!

[jasonbw]

Frosty, you have a 675? They were hauling in their class on the day!!
Pan, youd have the mental game all sussed out... :D

Guys, you don't have to be fast, even the requirements for your bike are easy to meet (far easier than I thought), you should have a day of the best memories ever.

[crazyzx]

:ayyy:
Thanks! I was in a garage with RATs only!!!! There were just three of us in there but guys, it'd be a riot to have a bunch of RATs racing... I wonder what youd call a "race of rats"? :D :D :D

[jasonbw]

Heh heh, WELCOME to Rats Crazy !!!!

[Nuff]

I'm interested, but in about 1 year, once I learn how to keep the rubber side down :lmao:

How long is MA license valid for?

[jasonbw]

1 year, but I think if you just wanted to try 1 round theres an option... I'll find out.

[Nuff]

I will wait, first I would have to sort out my bike into a track bike. All my bike needs to be race ready is race fairing and safety wiring.

Also Specs is pushing me to try Club racing, he's the one who got me into TDs.

As for those who are worried about crashing, from my experience (which I'm not that proud of) there's not much to be worried about, just remember to relax, it's kind of like a water slide :D just don't try to get up to early or you will tumble and look back where you came from once you stop. If you are worried about breaking bones do a bit of weight training, lots of vitamin D and calcium.

[saf]

I know exactly what you mean jason. I went in an endurance race a couple of years ago and it was really quite terribly thrilling. Full fledged pursuit was the most incredible time I've had on a motorcycle.

I've been off the track for a long long time so am happy to be doing the first of many trackdays next month. That should hopefully lead to some races and I'd be really happy to tangle with you. :)

[Zee]

Glad it went well for ya JB :clap:
However, this ain't for me.
I went and checked out a Spense round one year at ec and it absolutely scared the crappa out of me.
Watching a 1000 600's screaming into T1 from the roof was enough to trigger my survival reactions full bore.

[Falco]

Had a ding dong battle with DanFX on Saturday at the Creek....you could'nt order the grin on my face that im still wearing.

After chatting to Dan and Specs the idea of doing just the one round at EC next month(St George) is very enticing.

Bought my bike already lock-wired from a dude in Vic that used to race, so Im assuming there should'nt be too much that needs attention for scrutineering.

Q. Are there 3 days in total for a St George round, inclusive of practise and qualify days or does that only apply to an FX round?



Track day hack.

[jasonbw]

Excellent Saf, mate when your ready that'd be tops!
Zee funny enough after my first race I watched the 600's head into T1... ohhhhhh fuck, what the... what am I doing..... but on a bike it's WAY different... you see all the track space in front.. heaps of room, and everyone else around you (I'm not running with the fast guys) wants to make it through without incident... so people don't ram you, you have enough room and options!!! Riders perspective is way different! Any racers chime in, was this just a false view I got from 4 races or is this what it's like on these days mid-back pack?
Falco you'd fit right in here mate (as would bigdog, Dan and Specs), this'd be giving you those hit's you get when mucking around on the TDs!! I'm still 'reeling' from the day, it was the best fun I've ever had on track.

P.s. Scrutineering was about as involved as the ride day crews do... except some lockwiring is needed.. I'll take pics, it's really easy to get the bike race ready.

[DanFX]

Had a ding dong battle with DanFX on Saturday at the Creek....you could'nt order the grin on my face that im still wearing.

After chatting to Dan and Specs the idea of doing just the one round at EC next month(St George) is very enticing.

Bought my bike already lock-wired from a dude in Vic that used to race, so Im assuming there should'nt be too much that needs attention for scrutineering.

Q. Are there 3 days in total for a St George round, inclusive of practise and qualify days or does that only apply to an FX round?



Track day hack.

Falco, how good was that battle!
I wish i could have done the last session but i was completely rooted.

Race setup isn't too hard... i can give you a hand if you need to know exactly what you need done.

Not sure what the go is with the St George EC round..... is it 1 or 2 days?

FX is a bit different with rules - control Tyre etc.....

[Dave75]

aawesome vid mate!

[Mr.Ed]

You had me at "trackdays"...

:lmao::lmao:

[DBFH53]

Great enthusiasm and great vid, love the 'end of summer' vibe.
Fun diddly fun fun.

[Dr freedom]

Awesome video Jas .. looked like some unreal fun!

Is the fella at 2.29 doing a Stoner & Rossi with his leg out or was he trying to tell you something :D

[Marshy]

You had me at "trackdays"...

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Falco]

Falco, how good was that battle!
I wish i could have done the last session but i was completely rooted.



Awesome couple of sessions there mate, da bomb!



So Jase......how many days involved for the Saint George round you've just done, 2 or 3 days?

Need to organize some time off way in advance if Im going to give it a go. :ayyy:

[Marshy]

Awesome result and vid, Jason!

I had my first race outing in over 8 years on Saturday, and it was awesome!! I didn't realise there were RATs there or I woulda said 'hi'. As it is I had a great time, and met some really nice people.

Note that you don't have to be super quick to enjoy a race meet - I was happy to finally do a 1.24 on the day, and was usually lapping in the 25-26 bracket. Admittedly that's towards the back of the grid, which was ideal as I didn't feel a lot like mixing it up with too many guys all at once for my first run.

As it was, I had a great battle with another competitor all day - I beat him twice and he beat me twice. When I beat him in the final race, I felt like I'd won the race!

The St George rounds are usually held over two days, but they were unable to secure the track for the Sunday, resulting in this unusual one day meeting. The remaining rounds are the usual two day events, which is good as there's more practice time.

Looking forward to the Creek! :mod_smilie_rockwoot

[WET4URacing]

1 day only

[jasonbw]

You had me at "trackdays"...

:lmao::lmao:

:lmao: nice...

Hey Dr, that was a guy on this site who's tyres called it a day, he was doing what was necessary to finish the race to win his class. It was indicating for me to take him on the right. DBFH53, hell yeah, it was just like that... so motivating was the race I needed to try to convey it... it's a must do for anyone who loves a good play at the track... I'm new to the track (relatively) so it was the right time for me, I didn't wait too long.

SUNDAY 28th JUNE at Eastern Creek...... consider just the one round????!? Go on !!!! All you have to do is join a club (cheap) then send a form off for your yearly license then you can sign up for the day. I can guide you along, just PM or reply here and heaps here have been through this... just want everyone to realise how much fun it is! Thanks Dave and Marshy, isn't the whole event just like a trackday, but better... nothing more to fear.. even less says some... and if your female you have even less in the way of limbs to lose... cmon, join up.

[Dr freedom]

oh cool .. I thought it was some fancy move ready to be made..

I just had another look at the vid & yea, his rear is moving around a little

[DanFX]

I'm pretty sure the Saturday was a test day for st George last year, so sunday sounds right......

[jasonbw]

Yep, details here guys... like Wetty says its Sunday only.
http://www.stgeorgemcc.com/pg_rrace.php

[stetto]

Cedric25 and I had a great battle on the same bike last saturday. Went out close together, got him down the straight lap 2 then caught a false neutral at 2. Was about 300m behind after this clawed back got infront and then he got me at turn 9 on the last lap of the day. Thats the most fun ive had on the track. This sounds great and maybe afta i get my next road bike and some race school experience ill get into :ayyy:

[jasonbw]

That's it.. that's exactly what happened with Bigdog and I, that inspired me to race. Yeah I did the CSS levels to make sure I had some basics (I'm relatively new to this) to make sure I wasn't gonna kill someone.... turned out with CSS I got a good grounding to work off.

[WET4URacing]

That's it.. that's exactly what happened with Bigdog and I, that inspired me to race. Yeah I did the CSS levels to make sure I had some basics (I'm relatively new to this) to make sure I wasn't gonna kill someone.... turned out with CSS I got a good grounding to work off.

fark jase . kill someone, i thort you were gunna embed yourself into that blue 08 cbr more than once at T3. back wheel is better on the tar :)

[LAW]

I had a battle with a dude at OP, he got me at the T1 braking zone but I went around him at T4/5 Across the bridge then he got me at 12 and 1 and we were dicing like that for about 5 full laps. It was brilliant, I still grin like an idiot when I think about it.

I was thinking about racing but I assumed you had to have sponsors and all that shit and the only way to get in was to impress the right people at trackdays or something. I'll certainly be giving this a try when my laptimes improve :ayyy:

[j-rad]

:lmao: nice...

Hey Dr, that was a guy on this site who's tyres called it a day, he was doing what was necessary to finish the race to win his class. It was indicating for me to take him on the right. DBFH53, hell yeah, it was just like that... so motivating was the race I needed to try to convey it... it's a must do for anyone who loves a good play at the track... I'm new to the track (relatively) so it was the right time for me, I didn't wait too long.

SUNDAY 28th JUNE at Eastern Creek...... consider just the one round????!? Go on !!!! All you have to do is join a club (cheap) then send a form off for your yearly license then you can sign up for the day. I can guide you along, just PM or reply here and heaps here have been through this... just want everyone to realise how much fun it is! Thanks Dave and Marshy, isn't the whole event just like a trackday, but better... nothing more to fear.. even less says some... and if your female you have even less in the way of limbs to lose... cmon, join up.

Hey mate :)

Licence for a year for 1 race??

Even easier, pre pay of course for the entry but then on the day rock up , do the test and pay for the national 'event only' MA 'licence'and race yeh? It's $55 VS $285.....from memory

[Marshy]

A licence does get you a $20 discount at CB track days...

[jasonbw]

fark jase . kill someone, i thort you were gunna embed yourself into that blue 08 cbr more than once at T3. back wheel is better on the tar :)

aw shit, someone saw that :opssmiley: a little sideways a few times, new brake pads... vesrah srjl's ...should have seen my 1st qualifying stoppie in T1, THAT was sideways and nose down :D

Reminds me of an interesting bit that happened mid race 2.. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8amQAgTQCtM

[stetto]

I had a similar momment, hey turtle...

[WET4URacing]

awsome footage . i was behind watchin poor ol marco rollin about. hit the bump with brake on.
kieep the tit bits flowing. better still stick that hole race on

[jasonbw]

cool, I'll put the three on that I videod.. will take all night to upload :D

[WET4URacing]

all nite ????? oops

[jasonbw]

was wondering why my computers fucked.

[frostyscurse]

[QUOTE=jasonbw;200484]Frosty, you have a 675? They were hauling in their class on the day!!


Ah that's "Frosty"on the 675, my good mate and on track nemesis... Im on a zx636... might be needin' some glass for it with all this talk.... (05-06 if ya readin' Wetty...mates rates?)

[WET4URacing]

RATS discount. of corse.

[zRoYz]

awsome footage . i was behind watchin poor ol marco rollin about. hit the bump with brake on.
kieep the tit bits flowing. better still stick that hole race on

Looks like he just used to much trial brake as the big bump (patch) is in front & comes down before he hits it. Great footage jason :ayyy:

[Turtle]

Very AWESOME Jase ....well done mate ....

[Fezz]

I'll be giving St George a go in the 600s as well! :ayyy:

[jasonbw]

Thanks Roy and Turtle!!! Roy I REALLY expected you'd be racing by now... might put the spark back in like it did for me :D

Awesome Fezz... Eastern Creek / Wakefield Park or Oran Park???

Here's race 1... I qualified 6th out of 28 riders on the combined A,B,C,D grid so I wasn't surprised to be left behind when the lights went out! I was surrounded by experienced racers who know how to get a bike off the line fast.. unlike me :)
Wetty... I'm basically your pillion for this whole race :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZPmy7w36bU

[Captain]

Love watching your videos mate, nice :ayyy:
Geez wetty's bike just seemed to pull away down the straight, didn't it? I thought you were going to pass him at one stage, you're certainly faster on the twisty stuff.

[jasonbw]

I'm a fat bastard tho Cap... 105kg.. :D

Here's the Race 2... This is the one where I rode 5% less than I did in Race 1... look what happens to you when you do that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjbOhXXGOw

[WET4URacing]

great footage JB. The old R1 passing zone is only on that straight bit now. She has had a ly down on most of the corners at Oran

[Johnny]

Unreal footage Jason, all of them.

I can almost hear and see your excitement through reading this alone, heres to much more of the same with much better to come..

p.s, I knew youd well, but Im glad you suprised yourself :p

[jasonbw]

Had a ly down most corners... damn :D Just like Mono's old '98 R1 here which I used for a few months on the track, those R1's work great (it held my PB at EC for a number of trackdays after I got my CBR)

Thanks Johnny... I reckon next race well get a stack of these posts from RAT's who've tried it and been hooked!

[Fezz]

Awesome Fezz... Eastern Creek / Wakefield Park or Oran Park???

I'll start with Eastern Creek then take it from there. Looks like a lot of fun.

[jasonbw]

BRILLIANT Fezz !!!!!! Need any help with the red tape.. who what where?

[WET4URacing]

had a bit of a sleep up against a few walls too. a medic once asked me at oran how old i was. i answered... Too farkin old for this shit. that was in 03. same thing happened at sepang i think . well i think thats what he was sayin :confused1:

[jasonbw]

fark Wetty!!! At that crash rate you'd think youd own your own fairing business or something... that was in 03 !!! Youve been racing a while so I guess it's normal to have a few spills over the years eh.
Too old for this shit... that would have made the medics day!

[WET4URacing]

i had my 1st ly down under the bridge back in 89 on my YSR80/100. . that was my 1st crash test on my very 1st fairing i ever made. wat a mess. next day was thru the kink. sorry guys dont wanna put you all off racin .:)

[jasonbw]

TWENTY YEARS OF RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Write a bloody book!

[Captain]

. sorry guys dont wanna put you all off racin .:)

I was just beginning to come around ... thanks for the reality check. Seriously.

[Marshy]

There were many more crashes at the Champions track day the previous Sunday than at the race meet on Saturday.

[Mr.Ed]

I was just beginning to come around ... thanks for the reality check. Seriously.


Well, then you shouldn't talk to me or Nuff cause we both crashed on trackdays and that might be a bit of a reality check for you and put off of doing that too.
Seriously Captain, bikes crash. You've accepted the risk when you first bought one... taking it to track just makes the risk more fun. Racing it like this guys are doing is just next logical step (from the fun point of view, that is).
I hate to say it, but I reckon everyone will crash at the track at some point given they spend enough time there. I know I did and I learned from it. So did Nuff apparently...
Are you sure you're ok with that? Cause otherwise when you crash (and I do hope you don't!!) it'll take you back a thousand steps instead of teaching you something.
I reckon it's all about doing things when you're ready. I'm not ready and can't tell you if you are. But I'm sure you will be at some point (you have improved heaps since I first joined RATs) and it would be a waste not to enjoy the rewards of the new set of skills you've developed, no!?:ayyy:

[zenodamper]

Sort of; but not sort Monsieur Ed - naturellement nobody could argue with the risk/crash analogy; but the going there is not analogous by default with requiring/desiring to learn more - some ,may go to just remember, or to plain have fun!

Horses for courses! (pardon the pun)

[Mr.Ed]

Sort of; but not sort Monsieur Ed - naturellement nobody could argue with the risk/crash analogy; but the going there is not analogous by default with requiring/desiring to learn more - some ,may go to just remember, or to plain have fun!

Horses for courses! (pardon the pun)

Very True Zeno!
But in my opinion Captain seems to be genuinely interested on learning and he does enjoy the rewards it brings (i.e. better lap times, mate's battles, etc). Forgive me if I'm wrong Cap! Like said, just my personal opinion.:ayyy:

[WET4URacing]

I was just beginning to come around ... thanks for the reality check. Seriously.


dont let my incompitance stop you. i've woken up under my bike in worse cuntrys than this and still go back for more.

[Nuff]

I know I did and I learned from it. So did Nuff apparently...


You are right, I did learn plenty, crashing is the same thing as :spank: :spank: :spank:
Just have you wallet ready in case there's a bill.

[Captain]

I'm the first to admit that I'm just not sure. I know that with these discussions, usually one person takes a particular point of view and then they stick to it, come rain hell or highwater .... but I won't do that. It's not black and white, there are reasons for and reasons against, all points are valid, and any decision will be a bit of a balancing act, spiced with a good deal of 'fingers crossed' as you just can't calculate for luck.

Having said that, statistics can certainly be considered, but first we need to look at WHO and WHY do riders crash at ride days? Are they first timers, who panic and run wide? Do more experienced riders crash as much? We need to compare these 'more experienced' riders. Do they crash more often during races?
let's not forget that, for time immemorial, a dangerous place has been T1 following the start (Monza 2009, in case your memory is not so good). No race starts during track days.

I just can't help but feel that racing is the next step, and unfortunately the next level of danger. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Mr.Ed]

I couldn't agree more to be honest... it's more dangerous in many regards! Also safer on others (i.e. not as many erratic riders or racer wannabes - they are racing after all!:lmao:).
But as it is with almost everything in life, the greater the risk the greater the rewards. You'll prob learn heaps more in a race, also if T1 is your concern... start from the back of the grid. I'm sure others won't mind and it'll give a good chance to practice your overtaking if you are faster than those in front of you.
I could just state my case here but it would be very hypocritical of me to that as I don't race myself. All I'm saying is :"Don't rule it out because wetty or someone else has crashed". It happens. Not only during races, not only on the track and not only to bad riders. Like I said, if you're ready to accept that, everything else will come as bonus.

[Nuff]

I couldn't agree more to be honest... it's more dangerous in many regards! Also safer on others (i.e. not as many erratic riders or racer wannabes - they are racing after all!:lmao:).
But as it is with almost everything in life, the greater the risk the greater the rewards. You'll prob learn heaps more in a race, also if T1 is your concern... start from the back of the grid. I'm sure others won't mind and it'll give a good chance to practice your overtaking if you are faster than those in front of you.
I could just state my case here but it would be very hypocritical of me to that as I don't race myself. All I'm saying is :"Don't rule it out because wetty or someone else has crashed". It happens. Not only during races, not only on the track and not only to bad riders. Like I said, if you're ready to accept that, everything else will come as bonus.

If I ever race, that will be my strategy, at least for the first race/meet of the day.

[Mr.Ed]

If you ever race against me I'll make sure I have a mechanical failure prior to the start... you're a massive source of jynx mate.:lmao::lmao:

[Captain]

If I ever race, that will be my strategy, at least for the first race/meet of the day.

But after that, it's not really the point, is it? You've seen Jason's race, the start is 90% of the race ... he was slow here (sorry mate) and despite all the good work he never really made it up. What's the point of racing, if you're going to start at the back? If you're not trying to win, you might as well continue with ride days.

[DanFX]

You guys make it sound so bad, seriously it's the best fun you can have with ya clothes on.... get off the internet and start working on ya race bike!

ps.... track days are garbage compared to race meets

[Mr.Ed]

But after that, it's not really the point, is it? You've seen Jason's race, the start is 90% of the race ... he was slow here (sorry mate) and despite all the good work he never really made it up. What's the point of racing, if you're going to start at the back? If you're not trying to win, you might as well continue with ride days.

Well, I don't expect to win the very first time I ever race... Starting from the back of the grid gives me the chance to get comfortable with the start and focus on other areas I will also need to get used to. After a couple of races if I'm feeling confident, then I'll start from whatever position I'm assigned to.
Captain, I'm giving myself 18mths before my first race and that only starts counting in late August when I get back to Australia. So as you can see, I'm just not ruling it out...

[Captain]

After a couple of races if I'm feeling confident, then I'll start from whatever position I'm assigned to.

That's my point though, eventually you need to do that, so your advice to start from the back is .... well ... not so helpful :D
It's not only the first race where race starts are 'dangerous' (if they are at all).

Dan, I don't meant to make it sound 'so bad', we're discussing both the joys AND the dangers, not my fault if the negatives seem to draw more attention ...

[Mr.Ed]

My point is that they are dangerous to us cause we're not used to it... as you said, we don't have that on track days. Once you get used to it, it shouldn't be any more dangerous than leading any pack onto T1 on A group.

[Captain]

How do you explain T1 at Monza? And all the other T1 accidents? Those riders have started once or twice :ayyy:

[WET4URacing]

dont go outside the house captain a bus mite hit you

[jasonbw]

Nice weather today eh !!! :D

I've got my starting problem sussed, sorted for next race, now to fix they other 50 things I do wrong :D

[WET4URacing]

50kgs?

[Nuff]

How do you explain T1 at Monza? And all the other T1 accidents? Those riders have started once or twice :ayyy:

Captain, how do you explain my crashes? I know how, but still :lmao: How do you explain any crash?

I'm sure you bought good gear since you know there's a risk of crash. If you didn't think it was possible you wouldn't have invested in it. The way I look at it, my dainese suit and sidi boots have paid for themselves 4 times already and they are still good for more! :lmao:

Even in Jason's video were the guy low sided by losing the front, was he ok? he looked like he just safely went off the track and out of everybody's way. Same type of slide I had at T2 last saturday.


I will look into club racing next year, I'm not in a hurry.

[Nuff]

50kgs?

I was thinking traffic lights :confused1:

[clarkey]

Love to and hope to get into it ....You reckon startin in the thou class has any benefits/drawbacks than the 600s Jase or Wetty ?

I wonder how you ride on the road sometimes Cappy with all that worrying :(

[WET4URacing]

Even in Jason's video were the guy low sided by losing the front, was he ok? he looked like he just safely went off the track and out of everybody's way. Same type of slide I had at T2 last saturday.


Marco was fine . he gridded up again later after he washed the dirt out of his bike and kickt it straight. he had good gear on.

clarkey i raced a 600 in china and at sepang. won on them. but fark they were boring. i started proper racing on a ZX9 96. tank of a thing but fark it was fun. if it dont wheely in top it aint worth it.

[zRoYz]

Meet Marco at zeno's today new who he was when he had R1 forks having some adjustments. He's not wasting any time getting his bike ready for the next outing :ayyy:

I'm impressed with the speed his & wetty R1 have down the straight compared to jason CBR which has engine work.

Wetty what have you don't engine wise to your R1?

[WET4URacing]

marcos is as slow as jasons.
lets just say mine isnt standard. its been a long devolpment and its finally unrideable on small tracks. bring on the creek
the old girl held its own and won at sepang more than once. the straight is long and it luvs it

[jasonbw]

marcos is as slow as jasons.

Mine would be stupidly fast if it had the right rider/weight combo.

Cap, nothing wrong with thinking of the risks to make a choice. I sure did, glad I did.

I think the thou class would be just as good as the 600's... I think theres more 600s... not sure, either way you'd have a blast !!!!!!

P.s. Yeah Wetty, 50 problems + 50kg :D

[Captain]

Thanks Jason, and sorry to bring any negativity to your thread. It's something that I'm sure every racer thinks about, so IMHO it's best to get it out there, talk about it rather than sweep your worries under the carpet and pretend to be invincible.
You have certainly inspired me though :ayyy:

[jasonbw]

Think about what? :) <shuffles it straight into the back of the mind>

Good to open the thread up to ALL relevant bits of racing, that's what a forum's about, and everyone has an opinion!

[tim73]

Hi Jase,

Awesome fun racing!! I've been racing for 3 years now and I'm totally hooked. However I tried racing two bikes at one race meeting for the first time last weekend at Oran. My ZXR 400 and my Daytona 675 in BEARS. Big mistake! With back to back races i couldn't adapt to the differences in each machine. My lap times dropped by 3 secs per lap on both and totally screwed with my head. Was exhausted by the end of the day as well. Still had fun though!! A bad day racing is still a good day.

btw I've crashed 6 times now in 3 years, and I'm getting a bit of a reputation. 2 of em hurt a bit. You get used to it though. Totally worth it if you ask me.

Cheers
Tim

[Stu23]

Hi Jason

Well this racing lark certainly seems to got you going :) Hahaha and yes it is addictive. Track days are fun, but racing is where it is at. Doesnt matter where you are on track, 1st or 21st, the fact that you and the guy in front both want the same bit of tarmac.....skill or balls will get you there, or maybe not ?? thats racing for you....

Racing will bring your lap times down if you want to push.....dark side to this is yes it can go wrong...and you can get hurt.......me, ive smashed every bone down my left side( always my left side strange )....broken my neck.....and lots of other things all in between....so medical insurance is nice to have :) and some help around the house too :)
I have won championships in the Uk, proper 16 round ones too ( expensive ). Nowadays i like it for the thrill and competative side........and if theres a sniff of a win then ill go for it, if not ill settle for what i have....getting a bit older and wiser ( wife would disagree )

You can race anything from a 400 through to a 1000.....they are all fun in their own way and require different skill sets / riding techniques to get right. 1000cc's cost a bit in consumables, 400cc much less so, 600's somewhere inbetween. You dont need a brand new bike as Wetty has proved...a good old un can sure hold its own as most of it is down to the rider.....my own r6 is a 2000 model, with a bit of help from Zeno it handles beautifully....

I will be at the EC round as long as my bike is able to change gear from 3rd to 4th !!! and yes i still got a win, two seconds and a third but it was a lot harder than it should have been :)

Perhaps we need to get organised with the St George club, speak to Jan perhaps and get the Rats crew in adjoining garages for a bit more fun......and stick !! hahaha

Stu

[jasonbw]

Stu, Rats in the pits together.. Absolutely.... Jan's only too happy to do that!
Great info, scary, but great :D

Tim, I thought I saw your bike flying down the straight but you never mentioned you were coming down, so I figured it wasnt... Wetty adapted well to the two bikes in back to back races... maybe give it time??? Wetty?

[Stu23]

Unfortunately it does happen Jason, however the good thing to remember is that you will be attended to almost immediately by expert medical professionals.......this does not happen anywhere else, road or trackdays....so if your going to lob it......hahaha its the place to do it :) and 9 times out of 10 you will be fine

Ok its sorted, a rats garage or 2 at the next EC meeting. Cant wait

[Stu23]

oh i forgot www.bike-photos.com has all the pic's up

[WET4URacing]

Stu, Rats in the pits together.. Absolutely.... Jan's only too happy to do that!
Great info, scary, but great :D

Tim, I thought I saw your bike flying down the straight but you never mentioned you were coming down, so I figured it wasnt... Wetty adapted well to the two bikes in back to back races... maybe give it time??? Wetty?

i was using the same bike back to back. at PI last nov i raced my CBR and my SXV. that was a bit diff. tooooo much fun.

[WET4URacing]

this is whats its all about. buildin a bike from a frame a few weeks ago and close racin with a dude you can trust.

oh yeh and 1 for you johhny.

[Johnny]

LOL... your not up on the pegs, so doesnt count :p

[tempest161]

well done to everyone. what camera setup are you using jas?

[jasonbw]

Hi mate, it's a borrowed Oregan scientific... the actual raw footage isn't much better... could imagine if I had spare $$$ I'd put it towards a VIO POV1 but I aint rich :D

[Mr.Ed]

That looks pretty good for an Oregon!! Mine sucks bad...:cursing:

[Nuff]

Hi mate, it's a borrowed Oregan scientific... the actual raw footage isn't much better... could imagine if I had spare $$$ I'd put it towards a VIO POV1 but I aint rich :D

If you need to borrow a cam just ask about my crappy/cheap HD cam option. It's pretty big compared to oregan sceintific, but the video is a lot better.

[Mr.Ed]

HEAAAPS better I might add... the little bastard records on full HD for one. Or standard HD at 60fps which is pretty f@#% cool when you record a race!

[jasonbw]

:D cool, this was free and easy tho... maybe I should use my SD video cam... that's bigger but clearer... could mount it in the nose better than this one's location (all exposed).

[Nuff]

Mine is free to borrow, especially to people who are better riders so I can learn a thing or two :D

Mine comes with a suction cup, and it's best mounted on left side fairing.
Here's the cam being rear mounted (before I got the suction cup) the quality is a lot better than what you see here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0YydC1UoEE&fmt=22

[Mr.Ed]

Nuff's exaggerating... his cam is pretty small too. Not as small as the Oregon but not too big either. I'm sure you can mount it on the nose as well.

[DanFX]

I will have some treaded GP racers for sale in a weeks time or so if anybody is interested?
They are the control tyre for super stock 600...... only 2 track days old

[Nuff]

I will have some treaded GP racers for sale in a weeks time or so if anybody is interested?
They are the control tyre for super stock 600...... only 2 track days old

I'm interested, how much?

[ozimoto]

Formula Xtreme and St George @ EC in june, see you there!

+1 Racing in Bears

[Soloarm]

Yes Stu I have read this thread and ......................awesome!!

Well done Jason, I am sure that to those hardworking people who put together these race days and are struggling to get the support on or off the track would be very grateful to you for this thread, all things in life have negatives.

But regardless top thread and one Tex & I will direct many to that ask questions re racing,

Awesome really!:clap::clap:

[jasonbw]

:D Thanks Soloarm, during the presentations we weren't allowed collect our trophies until we said Thank you to the officials and volunteers. Me being one (Clerk of Course occasionally) Im lucky to see both sides, what's the saying about giving as much as you get? That'd be great... two years with CSS off track to make sure that event runs as safe as possible... it was my time (evil laugh) :D

P.s. Can anyone see I enjoyed the racing????? :D :D :D DO IT peoples, you'll love it !!!!!!!!!!!

[Stu23]

Tell Tex, i will bring up the sv tomorrow , no problem, you will prob see me early lunch if thats ok

Stu

[WET4URacing]

4 sale HRC air intake to suit red CBR

[mrgoof]

Good video Jason.
Would like to give it ago some time, but need more track experience.

[jasonbw]

I've only done 10 trackdays myself... but read those Keith Code books till I could understand them and put them to use, I don't know about the others.. Wetty what do you reckon would be normal... no doubt some guys would just do a few days then try out racing right?
P.s. I'm too stupid to understand the red intake thing sorry man.

[WET4URacing]

this will help with the long EC straight in june at rnd 2.
HRC air intake for a red CBR

[jasonbw]

Ha... cool... like I said.. I've got a good engine, I'm a fat prick who needs to lose more weight .. what do they say, 1kg = 1hp.... well I should get another 15hp for free. :D

[WET4URacing]

fark me i must have 250hp then

[jasonbw]

I just updated the front page with these three videos from EC rd2...

St George Eastern Creek Rd2
Race 1... (note the T-Bone I got in T2 on lap3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R65ToNIBhyg

Race 2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si8pWrtLYaQ

Race 4...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6fvdS1oSho

[Birdman45]

188h.p? Fuk me drunk............. fat prick or not, you should be smoking everyone with that sort of power, bar maybe factory bikes, but even still............ what did that motor cost you?

[WET4URacing]

too much i'd say birdy. my 162hp zx10 smokes most of these huge hp bikes. your dyno dont lie

[jasonbw]

Birdy it takes more than power to beat good riders, that'll come but for now I'm enjoying that engine.

P.s. it was a head from Freebie (leftover when they changed to an 08) that he did REALLY cheap.

Race 2's video didn't work on Youtube so I put it up again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si8pWrtLYaQ

[SLAC]

Race 2's video didn't work on Youtube so I put it up again.

It said when i clicked on it. It was over 10mins and youtube dont post footage over 10mins

[Captain]

Love watching your videos Jason :ayyy:
I can see you have the same problem as me down the straight ... never sure which side to pass on :lmao:
Top rising mate!

[jasonbw]

Ha ha, cool Cap... Thanks Slac, I ended up cutting some guff on the cool down lap and made it under 11min... so this one worked.

This is what it looks like to start from LAST place of FOURTY TWO riders (prev race a DNF so you grid up at the back) Bloody incredible sight to watch so many fit into T1 :D

[Johnny]

Oh man...Thanx for posting that Jason, really really enjoyed watching that, may just watch it again I think.

[WET4URacing]

jase great footage but seriously i think and others that have watched you need to take it to another dyno coz with 188hp u shood be smokin em on the straight bits. then you wood be up where you shood be . mann thats the only reason i finish where i do

[trumpst]

Top video, Jason. If only I was a few years younger (and a lot of seconds faster!) might like to get involved:n:

[jasonbw]

jase great footage but seriously i think and others that have watched you need to take it to another dyno coz with 188hp u shood be smokin em on the straight bits. then you wood be up where you shood be . mann thats the only reason i finish where i do

Saw your thoughts with Birdy, yep, methinks I should get it up to Trev after the $ are sorted.

[Marshy]

Awesome ride!! Great passing, well done :ayyy:

[Birdman45]

Saw your thoughts with Birdy, yep, methinks I should get it up to Trev after the $ are sorted.

In saying that, the number itself don't mean Jack, I'd only bring it up if you get more done to it or want to do more to it and you need to see which way you went and by how far. ie, even if you took it back to max power and it says 188h.p, you do some changes and it goes to 192, then you know you have gone the right way. That is all that matters. The number itself means SFA. But like Paul said, if it DOES have that on my dyno, then you should put a front end loader scoop on your bike to pick everyone up as you go down the straight. LOL

[jasonbw]

Ha haha.

Yep since the tune I've made some changes so it'll need re mapping... good to have a baseline anyway... you can't tune HRC ECU's can you?

[WET4URacing]

nice trev.
but it should at least go on trevs to see if maxpowers isnt blowin up your skirt. coz 188 is a huge no. i didnt see your wheel cumin up anywhere. if i had your camera on all we would see is clouds
still great footage

[jasonbw]

Thanks :) Hey clouds are by your choice... you ride faster on the rear than most on two, I sat behind on a trackday at Oran Park once and you went from after the bridge to the flipflop on one wheel... awesome to see.
Good move on checking the output too!!!

[racegodr1]

My R1 the 07 only has 164HP on RB Imports dyno.

That's with ported head ,YEC head gasket , YEC race harness and ECU
Getting cams and valve springs in it next week though.. Still must be hard to ride as mines a beast now! Wheelies everywhere.
Should get to low 35's, maybe even 34.9!! Thats my goal at the ASBK.


the 09 has 156 Hp::confused1:

[jasonbw]

34.9 ... holy hell that's a goal and a half!!!!

OK, Trev's shop is now on the menu... this CBR can't be anywhere near that HP or I'm slow as a dog :D

[racegodr1]

Woof woof...:)

[jasonbw]

I guess that means all K9 riders are slow?? :D

[racegodr1]

Too right!!! im testing all the Superbikes at the track tomorrow with Gardner and on the road ride part of it i said that the 09 was a dog.....May be different on the track though.

[Captain]

lol .... I think you missed that one James :lmao: .... "K9"

[racegodr1]

i got it...and its true...!

[Birdman45]

Hahahahaha James............ racegod............ f'kin funny.

and RB's dyno? anyway, when you gettin them mapped?